Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Lucille Bluth]

I've probably posted in here before, but on further reflection, I don't think I truly fell for the troon-aid. I just didn't get why a man couldn't be femme or why a woman can't be butch. Given the sheer diversity of humans, it would make sense that some men or women aren't going to be super macho or feminine acting. Then, when I started hearing more stories of troon journeys, it all seemed to boil down to either having a fetish for the opposite sex or being gender non-conforming.

As the movement gained more traction, I started reading about how the troon community behaved and the bullying, lying and delusions held among them. If I had to cite a moment where I really was "peak trans", it would be somewhere around 2017-2019. I asked on several websites why transgenders are being forced upon us, but we can't accept transracialism, transageism or being transspecies. I knew it was a load of shit when I saw some of the responses and justifications for the former but not the latter.

The responses I got said transgenders are "allowed" because gender is a "social construct" and giving into these peoples delusions "helps" them. They're not actually a femme gay man or butch lesbian, a straight person that's gender non-conforming or someone with a fetish for the opposite sex (I'd say all troons fall under one of those four categories). This also ignores the fact that slapping on a wig and cutting off your dick doesn't actually solve everything. But when I said that transracialism should have just as much validity because "race" is also a social construct, I either got no response or had people telling me that transracialism is just "culture appropriation". Apparently, a delusional man in a ratty wig doesn't count as "appropriating" womanhood and vice versa.

Which was so odd to me because being "transracial" should have more validity than being a troon. A man can't truly become a woman and vice versa, but "race" really is a social construct. Some examples:

1. Decades ago, the one-drop rule in the United States said anyone was legally considered a nigger if they one black ancestor.
2. Back in my grandparents day, it was politically correct to call the Chinese "Yellow people". Even Martin Luther King Jr or maybe it was Malcolm X once called the Orientals "Yellow" in a televised interview. This is not the case today.
3. In Japan, anyone is mixed-race/biracial if they're not fully Japanese ethnically. Many people who are half-Flipino and half-Japanese descent in Japan are considered biracial (or "hafu"). By Western (i.e - American) standards, they are not considered "biracial".
4. Finally, having spent a bit of time in England and visiting America frequently, I've found that in the former country, when people talk about "Asian" culture or appearance, it always refers to hook-nosed Pajeets (or Brown people basically). While in the U.S, it almost always refers to slit-eyed Chinks because of cultural differences on what they perceive as being "Asian".

I've also been stumped by the movement because if gender has nothing to do sex, and "women" can have dicks, why do troons go out of their way to "transition"? If all it takes to be a woman or man is to identify as one, then why change your name or chop off your dick or shrink your breasts? Seems to me that even they admit the movement is a load of BS. That there is a definition to what being "female" or "male" looks like. IDK. The whole movement (including the non-binary stuff) is so regressive. Ironically enforcing gender stereotypes in a supposed era where gender non-conformity is being accepted.

 

[doodoocaca]

The bullshit trying to make sex go away so "gender" can replace it was always the most retarded thing imaginable, so of course that's what happened. With sex gone, gender is whatever they say, so naturally it turns into sex that they solely dictate, used to reinforce their erotic target identity inversions. But don't you dare say trans sexual, that's offensive, even if it's all they're doing.

Is it just a shells game with words so they can have their cake and eat it too? Or is it because they realize people will always sense the sex of other human beings? Maybe it's all just a cover so freaks can masturbate like buffalo bill, and now that the cat's out of the bag it's just a scam for shitty surgeons and a big lie to desperate kids?

It's insanity, that's all it is. You can pick it apart and see it's layers of enabled cope and doubling down, but in a final sense it's nonsense. Cope, bullshit, ETII, and fruitless longing for an ideal that only exists in their head. Ultimately, it's skinned arms, gutted crotches, endocrine problems, isolation, and suicide.

 

[Humbert Humbert]

Honestly it was the Kathy Rumer thread for me.

 

[Gramlol]

The bullshit trying to make sex go away so "gender" can replace it was always the most retarded thing imaginable, so of course that's what happened. With sex gone, gender is whatever they say, so naturally it turns into sex that they solely dictate, used to reinforce their erotic target identity inversions. But don't you dare say trans sexual, that's offensive, even if it's all they're doing.

Is it just a shells game with words so they can have their cake and eat it too? Or is it because they realize people will always sense the sex of other human beings? Maybe it's all just a cover so freaks can masturbate like buffalo bill, and now that the cat's out of the bag it's just a scam for shitty surgeons and a big lie to desperate kids?

It's insanity, that's all it is. You can pick it apart and see it's layers of enabled cope and doubling down, but in a final sense it's nonsense. Cope, bullshit, ETII, and fruitless longing for an ideal that only exists in their head. Ultimately, it's skinned arms, gutted crotches, endocrine problems, isolation, and suicide.

Because 'transsexual kids' sounds a lot less okay than 'transgender kids', etc.

 

[Aunt Carol]

The bullshit trying to make sex go away so "gender" can replace it was always the most retarded thing imaginable, so of course that's what happened.

I've been wondering about the exact timeline on that.

It seemed like it started as "there's sex in your body and gender in your head; some people need to change sex to match their gender." Then people started using sex and gender interchangeably--I've never filled out a form IRL that asked for both--but moved into just "gender," probably out of a desire not to say "sex" as much as to cater to the trans rights activists. (Maybe a little so people would stop making the "sex: yes please" joke.)

Then the TRAs started arguing that not only was gender a personal, invisible, spiritual thing, so was sex. But because the average normal person had been using those two words as synonyms, this argument was lost before anyone could stop and request defined terms.

Because 'transsexual kids' sounds a lot less okay than 'transgender kids', etc.

This is it: the same reason people go to Gender Reveal parties and not Sex Reveal parties. They're not woke, they're using "gender" as a euphemism. The gender people are just happy to take this ceded territory.

 

[Airbrushed Van Art]

Back in the 90s and 00s, drag queens were usually weird clowns parodying sassy old starlets. Now they’re everywhere and instead of being gay men putting on a show they’re all sorts with devil horns in front of kids. So bizarre and annoying.

The clown phobia people must be secretly pissing themselves: same vibes, honestly.

 

[The Tall Man]

The first time I knew of it.
Transgenderism is a lie and lies are always harmful. Lies end up harming people who make decisions based on those lies and any people impacted by those decisions.

Transgender is one of the many twisted ideas damaged people like to graft into their identity.
Identity is the key to understanding the troubles with Transgenderism.
There are a few memes that are prevalent in society at large that are extremely harmful and complete lies.

The first big misconception is about the nature of your identity

People like to wrongly view themselves as a tiny entity controlling a meat robot.
Concepts like "I am my consciousness" or "I am a soul/spirit inhabiting this body" are a completely wrong view of what makes you you.
You are separating your identity from your body and other parts that define you in an attempt to come to some fictional pure form of "you".

A simple thought experiment to show the wrongness of this view is:
Imagine you went completely blind. (You believe your eyes are not really part of you because you are an ethereal thing controlling a biological robot. Your thought is this should not change you and you will just be you but blind). You can no longer do most of the activities you used to do and with the people you used to do them with.
Many of you former friends if not all will eventually leave you. There will be things you never noticed before and things you recent now.
Your whole attitude and perception of life will change in a dramatic way and when an old acquaintance of yours meets after you have been blind for many years, he will note how much you changed.

Your bad back, your height, your weight, your age, your car, your house and your brand of toothpaste are all part of what makes you you.
You do not exist in a vacuum, which makes your environment also an important part of your identity.
Some parts of your identity are unchangeable like your sex, age and race.
These unchangeable parts of your identity should be more important to you, but the TV programming is full of stories about how these don't matter because the real you lives inside your heart.
There is no little version of you inside of you controlling you.

Building on this misunderstanding of identity that everyone is an equal spirit controlling a random meat puppet are the concepts of complete equality, specifically "you can be anything" and "you can become anything" and "you can do anything" and "you are how you feel".

Now retarded children are being told they too can become geniuses. Fat people aren't gluttonous unhealthy pigs if their true self doesn't feel like it.
This is the core of the Tranny insanity, it's lying to people about who they are.
If a large amount of people think it's good to hold these views then they will be in conflict with reality and harm innocent people.

Now it is pretty obvious why this is so dangerous, retards feeling like geniuses and constructing a bridge that collapses and kills hundreds of people. Horny sex pests abusing this ideology and gaining access to women spaces. A serious boxing match between a woman and a man. Women getting tricked into joining the wage slave caste. A relationship between a 5 yo and an 60 yo.

Young boys are being told that men are the bad guys and women are the good guys and they are told they can be anything.
This will obviously lead the weak and impressionable boys towards the path of trooning out.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The clown phobia people must be secretly pissing themselves: same vibes, honestly.

Same vibes, with an extra layer of creepiness on top of it because it's an even more blatant violation of nature, even more outrageous than clown makeup alone.

Gender-bending is yet another thing that sets off the uncanny valley effect.

 

[Nynaeve al'Meara]

It came hand-in-hand with me learning about feminism. First it was all the basic libfem talking points, I was in early high school and had already established that I cared a lot about environmental issues and basic acceptance of homosexuality so it was an easy train to hop on. Then it started becoming alllll about men in dresses. Suddenly I as a teenage girl was oppressing men in their 40s who wanted to wear dresses simply because I had a vagina.
When I discovered more radical feminism—keeping in mind that radical here is meaning "to the root" and not "extreme"—it became clear to me how fucked up gender ideology was and how it was just another way to control women's bodies and behavior. A lot of my friends from college have since trooned out, mostly women calling themselves non-binary because they hate being treated like women even though the rest of the world (including their boyfriends) still sees them as women. I grin and bear it and try to slip in some critiques of gender as a concept, because I do love my friends dearly and truthfully I think a lot of them are realizing it's a phase. I've since distanced myself from some aspects of radical feminism. I love a lot of the men in my life and I don't think I could ever bring myself to support female separatism, for example.
At the end of the day I know biological sex is not a spectrum, gender is made up, and wearing a dress doesn't make you a woman. And some man in shitty makeup and clothes from Shein on the internet is sure as hell not gonna convince me otherwise.

 

[Frogget-me-not]

Building on this misunderstanding of identity that everyone is an equal spirit controlling a random meat puppet are the concepts of complete equality, specifically "you can be anything" and "you can become anything" and "you can do anything" and "you are how you feel".

This question has plagued my 20s and I’ve come to the conclusion that life is like a game of cards: some people get dealt shittier hands than others, but in the end you have to work with the cards you were dealt with at birth (sex, race, social class, genetic propensity to mental illness, family stability, etc.). You can scribble over your 3 and pretend it’s an 8, but that doesn’t change the fact that you still have a 3 in your hand. And in some instances, if you’re lucky, even low cards have their place in some phenomenal plays.

(I was going to make a poker metaphor, but in that comparison folding = suicide….lol)

I think the furry community (and by extension, other play-pretend hobbies like tabletop and RPGs that adult children take too seriously) has more of an effect in the idea that you can become anything, than one might realize — it’s the exact same mechanism for retards looking for escapism from their shitty hand, except now getting a new body is socially accepted and there are doctors willing to chop off their bits. In some alternate reality, unethical doctors are installing sharp teeth and cat ears on teens because they think that matches their “true self”.

 

[doodoocaca]

I really hate the way people approach "you can be anything." If you're on this retarded forum full of faggots you can be more than you are now. You can be much more. Even if you're already getting on in your years, even if you're a midwit, even if you're dumb, there are things you could do far better than you do them now.

This is a state of being that has to do with mindset, and your actions. Your choices and your meta cognition and your performance at some task you chose to take.

This is not "you'll magically turn into the object of your desires or have easymode if you were uwu pretty girl/confident 'masc' man".

The ability to let go of your hangups and hesitation and just commit and follow through would do all of these people so much good it's painful to realize that, instead, they just pour their time and effort into layers and layers of cope. Fuck sake.

 

[The Tall Man]

This question has plagued my 20s and I’ve come to the conclusion that life is like a game of cards: some people get dealt shittier hands than others, but in the end you have to work with the cards you were dealt with at birth (sex, race, social class, genetic propensity to mental illness, family stability, etc.). You can scribble over your 3 and pretend it’s an 8, but that doesn’t change the fact that you still have a 3 in your hand. And in some instances, if you’re lucky, even low cards have their place in some phenomenal plays.

(I was going to make a poker metaphor, but in that comparison folding = suicide….lol)

I think the furry community (and by extension, other play-pretend hobbies like tabletop and RPGs that adult children take too seriously) has more of an effect in the idea that you can become anything, than one might realize — it’s the exact same mechanism for retards looking for escapism from their shitty hand, except now getting a new body is socially accepted and there are doctors willing to chop off their bits. In some alternate reality, unethical doctors are installing sharp teeth and cat ears on teens because they think that matches their “true self”.

I completely agree.
And the most fucked up thing about it is that most people hold average hands in the game of life.
Being average is the most comfortable position to be in. You have the largest pool of possible like minded people, you have the most common opinion making you part of the strongest group, everything is normed towards you.

If you are above average, let's take for example height. You gain a slight advantage when grabbing stuff from the top shelf but everything made for average people is just a little bit to small for you. You gain a slight advantage when dating but many manlets hate you due to envy. If you had average height manlets, would bother you less and everything would be the correct height.

Being average is the best thing in an average situation.
It takes a lot of social engineering to destroy the contempt of people with being average.
Destroying family is a big part of it since for a young boy his father (who is most likely an average man) and for a young girl her mother (also probably average) should be the primary example to look up to and imitate and that would make them happy and value and protect the average life.
To make the population malleable modern propaganda mocks being average and has managed that being average is seen as being not good enough or even bad. Think of modern Hollywood movies the average is always portrayed as some silly doofus.

The demonization of being average, leads to many people striving towards being freaks since even being a freak is better than being average and being a freak is easily achievable.

The whole tranny thing is a social engineering induced phenomenon.
The OSS was created during WW2 with the purpose to counter propaganda and propagandize. The OSS didn't go away during peace time instead it morphed into the CIA and only grew bigger and bigger with a lot of the original purpose of propagandizing intact.
There are 90 years of research into how to manipulate and control the masses and many trillions spent on that research.
Our parents and grand parents already lived in a world with a centrally controlled flow of information and philosophy.

Here is good introduction into propaganda and how it works.

The Gutenberg Conspiracy (The Media Matrix — Part 1)

TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: https://www.corbettreport.com/media/ From the Renaissance to the Reformation, from the fall of feudalism to the rise of capitalism, from the Scientific Revolution to the Indus...

odysee.com

What Hath God Wrought

SHOW NOTES AND MP3: https://www.corbettreport.com/whathathgodwrought/ It's difficult for us to appreciate just how incredible it was for those who first witnessed communication from a distance with a...

odysee.com

Into the Metaverse

TRANSCRIPT AND LINKS: https://corbettreport.com/media We stand at a precipice. On one side is "reality": the original, authentic, lived human experience. And on the other side is the metaverse: the w...

odysee.com

a bit more in depth

Understanding Propaganda

Everything you see on the news is a lie. Here we help you navigate the sea of disinformation being spread by teaching the fundamentals of propaganda. We will examine the long history of propaganda and we will take a look at how propaganda impacts you today.

www.spreaker.com

We are slowly being pushed towards a post human society where being a human is becoming an old fashioned concept.

 

[Ser Prize]

The first time I knew of it.
Transgenderism is a lie and lies are always harmful. Lies end up harming people who make decisions based on those lies and any people impacted by those decisions.

Transgender is one of the many twisted ideas damaged people like to graft into their identity.
Identity is the key to understanding the troubles with Transgenderism.
There are a few memes that are prevalent in society at large that are extremely harmful and complete lies.

The first big misconception is about the nature of your identity
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People like to wrongly view themselves as a tiny entity controlling a meat robot.
Concepts like "I am my consciousness" or "I am a soul/spirit inhabiting this body" are a completely wrong view of what makes you you.
You are separating your identity from your body and other parts that define you in an attempt to come to some fictional pure form of "you".

A simple thought experiment to show the wrongness of this view is:
Imagine you went completely blind. (You believe your eyes are not really part of you because you are an ethereal thing controlling a biological robot. Your thought is this should not change you and you will just be you but blind). You can no longer do most of the activities you used to do and with the people you used to do them with.
Many of you former friends if not all will eventually leave you. There will be things you never noticed before and things you recent now.
Your whole attitude and perception of life will change in a dramatic way and when an old acquaintance of yours meets after you have been blind for many years, he will note how much you changed.

Your bad back, your height, your weight, your age, your car, your house and your brand of toothpaste are all part of what makes you you.
You do not exist in a vacuum, which makes your environment also an important part of your identity.
Some parts of your identity are unchangeable like your sex, age and race.
These unchangeable parts of your identity should be more important to you, but the TV programming is full of stories about how these don't matter because the real you lives inside your heart.
There is no little version of you inside of you controlling you.

Building on this misunderstanding of identity that everyone is an equal spirit controlling a random meat puppet are the concepts of complete equality, specifically "you can be anything" and "you can become anything" and "you can do anything" and "you are how you feel".
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Now retarded children are being told they too can become geniuses. Fat people aren't gluttonous unhealthy pigs if their true self doesn't feel like it.
This is the core of the Tranny insanity, it's lying to people about who they are.
If a large amount of people think it's good to hold these views then they will be in conflict with reality and harm innocent people.

Now it is pretty obvious why this is so dangerous, retards feeling like geniuses and constructing a bridge that collapses and kills hundreds of people. Horny sex pests abusing this ideology and gaining access to women spaces. A serious boxing match between a woman and a man. Women getting tricked into joining the wage slave caste. A relationship between a 5 yo and an 60 yo.

Young boys are being told that men are the bad guys and women are the good guys and they are told they can be anything.
This will obviously lead the weak and impressionable boys towards the path of trooning out.

Honestly I hope the mounting evidence that our fucking gut flora significantly our thought processes will be the death of the mind/body divide.

 

[The Tall Man]

Honestly I hope the mounting evidence that our fucking gut flora significantly our thought processes will be the death of the mind/body divide.

I am very cynical about it and don't believe this will change in the near future.
People grow attached to their views even if they are wrong and are unwilling to change and I doubt the media ownership landscape will change significantly.

Unless someone adopts a holistic view of identity that includes mind, body, environment and history, then there is always a place to graft nonsensical concepts into that persons identity.

 

[Smellee Cat]

For me, it was when my (then) 12 year old daughter started ‘presenting“ mascluline.

It was the first year of covid - were were school locked down/not locked down/locked down again. She was given much more unsupervised time on the computer than in the past due to online learning.

We had sat down and had a chat where we expressed that we love her and will support her no matter what her journey would be. Keep in mind, up until this point, she refused to wear any colour other than pink or purple. Was obsessed with MLP and Monster High... had (and still has) no interest in sport or any other stereotypical male gender normative hobbies or activities.

Wanting to support her, but confused as to how we got here, I started reading everything I could get my hands on.

Abigail Shrier’s book peaked me and led me down the rabbit hole of young women deciding they were men. Just when I was peak peaked, I found TERF twitter.

I’m going to get TMI stickers for this post but in two years I changed my mindset from “live and let live” to “fuck groomers, fuck social media, fuck trannies.”

 

[Aunt Carol]

I really hate the way people approach "you can be anything." [...]

This is not "you'll magically turn into the object of your desires or have easymode if you were uwu pretty girl/confident 'masc' man".

This is part of why gender ideology is so attractive. The party line is that you that you don't have to do anything to fix your entire life, just take a few pills, maybe lie down for a surgical procedure; everyone else will do the rest, or else. (Modern MtFs especially: you don't even have to wash your hair.)

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

For me, it was when my (then) 12 year old daughter started ‘presenting“ mascluline.

It was the first year of covid - were were school locked down/not locked down/locked down again. She was given much more unsupervised time on the computer than in the past due to online learning.

We had sat down and had a chat where we expressed that we love her and will support her no matter what her journey would be. Keep in mind, up until this point, she refused to wear any colour other than pink or purple. Was obsessed with MLP and Monster High... had (and still has) no interest in sport or any other stereotypical male gender normative hobbies or activities.

Wanting to support her, but confused as to how we got here, I started reading everything I could get my hands on.

Abigail Shrier’s book peaked me and led me down the rabbit hole of young women deciding they were men. Just when I was peak peaked, I found TERF twitter.

I’m going to get TMI stickers for this post but in two years I changed my mindset from “live and let live” to “fuck groomers, fuck social media, fuck trannies.”

Sorry to ear that, Is your kid better now, or worse?

 

[NachoFebrile]

I have nerd hobbies and so end up spending a lot of time in nerd communities. The link between Autism and gender dysphoria is pretty stark so I can’t not look at it as mental illness/neurological disorder

That said, provided the trans persom in question is pleasant I take no issue. It’s only preachy terminally online trans that I have a problem with

 

[The Tall Man]

There are no pleasant troons, it's impossible. Anyone so radicalized by troon propaganda that they mutilate themselves, has nothing but troon propaganda on their mind and will want to convince the rest of the world that the lie they portrait is a truth.

 

[SaveTheWhales]

Never bought into that shit. Ever. Learned about it from someone I knew in college who had thinning hair (looked like Scott Adams with a few loose threads glued on; tried to cover up the bald spot with a hat), then met someone (female who called herself such) who moved to my state from Cali and explained it when she wasn't bitching.

Afterwards, I started noticing that a lot of the more annoying/dramatic people in some forums I visited were filling out gender bios. They were before, but I never paid attention.

Then GamerGate happened, and CNN interviewed an ugly man in his living room who claimed to be run out of his house, all because he wouldn't shut up on Twitter, and incels who thought chopping off their junk would get them laid started applauding him as brave.

Pretty much every encounter I've had with one since has ended badly, save for one that's on a time bomb.

That said, provided the trans persom in question is pleasant I take no issue. It’s only preachy terminally online trans that I have a problem with

Lol, there's no "pleasant" trannies. There's quiet ones, but those fuckers aren't better.

All too often I've seen some "pleasant" one on some forum/discord join in an argument that they weren't apart of, then just spam screenshots/messages they hoarded over months on one of the people arguing.