Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

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Its rejection in the mid 1840s was abrupt, but could have been predicted by looking at all the evidence against the idea that rapidly accumulated from the 1820s. It's seen as a joke now. Troonery will be no different, in the end. By the 60s, we'll all be laughing about how stupid everyone was to believe it.

Consider this, however: There are many idiotic ideas and concepts that people will swallow just because it's pleasing to the carnally minded. It's not unreasonable to assume that transgenderism is one of them, as it is quite frequently comorbid with severe porn addiction or perverse sexual fetishes, and that's even assuming they weren't initially autogynephiles to begin with.

Sexual degenerates of all stripes will fight tooth and nail to normalize their degeneracy, they will also fight with abnormal amounts of ferocity against anyone who stands against them or tells them that what they're doing is unhealthy and wrong, they will bury anything that disproves their claims or loudly shout down anyone who digs them up.

They are also extremely manipulative, which explains all of the handmaidens today, as well as any other moron who feels emotionally compelled to fight for "trans rights" or "gay rights" despite having absolutely zero stake in the matter.

It's not enough to simply hope that the sickness runs its course, as its adherents will become ever increasingly vicious in their defense of their favorite flavor of degeneracy. Why? Because they have an extremely powerful psychological incentive to do so. It makes their dicks happy. What else needs to be done? These sodomites also need to be put in their place, and not too long ago, the vast majority of people thought it entirely appropriate to employ the force of the state to do so.
 
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I posted already in this thread but I think I've peaked again. Since mid last year, I've been interacting with more TiFs because they're in my study field, I don't really have an option and I see them everyday. There's 3 TiFs and 2 gender specials girls and it drives me insane how much they don't fucking try. They wear makeup, use piercings, get cheap tattoos, wear baggy clothes... And then later they get mad when teachers or older people in general misgender them. And I hate that if I pointed it out they'd say something like "Umm, trans men can be feminine chud??". The worst is a tall girl with a septum piercing, long hair and exclusively wears hoodies and skinny jeans. She's just a tall big lady, but then you call her a she and she's like "he actually". She's in a relationship with another TiF who shaves her head regularly, only wears black, has plenty of piercings and uses big jackets to hide her figure, what level of delusion is thinking your lesbian relationship is a gay men relationship?
The group a year below me are even worse, they have retarded names and try even less, and worse there's two TiMs on that one, but thankfully I've avoided them so far.
Even if they're not creepy weirdos like TiMs can be, interacting on the regular with TiFs has been peaking me more. They're all stereotypes, drawing anime characters with zippertits, complaining when people call them women despite not trying to do anything masculine. My only entertainment is when teachers misgender them and everyone is like "Ummm!!! It's HE!!!!!", it's either cuz my teachers are boomers and they forget or some who really don't give a fuck.
 
I want to ask, why did it seems like a fake story to you?
If there people who want rape kids and animals why is this seen as too far to be real?
Back when I was a hardcore ally I didn't believe any of it because I was in a bubble where I was told that groups apart of the TQIA2SPZR+ could not do any harm, it just rarely ever happens, and it's insane to think it happens and if you think it happens than your a BIGOT.

Plus another reason why I thought it was to insane to be real is because if it were to be happening (which it is sadly) than it would be stomped out in no time, troons showing posters and teaching them about weird sexual shit would be stopped right? So if nobody is talking within the community than it's not happening.

That was my mindset and since than I found StinkDitch and found out that the thing that they say never happens, actually happens.

It happens way to much in fact.
 
Have any of you ever outed yourself as a
TERF at work, not saying anything offensive per s, but acknowledging that bio sex is more important than gender? I said something on Slack and thought it would go away but I am definitely treated differently by my colleagues who (and this gets my goat) have a shitty, self-aggrandizing work ethic that is anathema to me. It stinks and I don’t like it.

Knowing that I basically outed myself, I asked if I could make a gender critical feminism book list and was told that I couldn’t because it’s a “queer-friendly profession” it is also supposed to be free speech friendly profession. I also think it’s anti-woman. I’m not going to renege on my opinions. Can anyone who has been in a similar situation offer any tips? I really love my job and you would think that I work for GLAAD given how much trannies come up, but IRL they don’t. It’s the corporate people who are keen on rainbow things.
 
Have any of you ever outed yourself as a
TERF at work, not saying anything offensive per s, but acknowledging that bio sex is more important than gender? I said something on Slack and thought it would go away but I am definitely treated differently by my colleagues who (and this gets my goat) have a shitty, self-aggrandizing work ethic that is anathema to me. It stinks and I don’t like it.

Knowing that I basically outed myself, I asked if I could make a gender critical feminism book list and was told that I couldn’t because it’s a “queer-friendly profession” it is also supposed to be free speech friendly profession. I also think it’s anti-woman. I’m not going to renege on my opinions. Can anyone who has been in a similar situation offer any tips? I really love my job and you would think that I work for GLAAD given how much trannies come up, but IRL they don’t. It’s the corporate people who are keen on rainbow things.
I refuse point blank to engage in any political conversations in work. I refused point blank to put pronouns on my email or on Teams, so they can guess I’m some form of right ring crank in their eyes, but since I’m friends with colleagues of different races and sexualitiesthey must be trying to guess what sort of bigot I am.

The “bring your whole self to work” thing is a lie. It’s pretty much just so gay men can identify and fuck each other.

You may have just painted a MASSIVE target on your back. Don’t discuss this stuff if you like your job. These people are not your friends. Work is a place you go make money.

Asking to make a gender critical reading list to share with your colleagues was fucking retarded. I can’t dress it up politely as it was that fucking stupid. HR are probably watching you and waiting for you to sperg out about troons so they can move you out the door.

Have you not been paying attention the last 10 years?

Just because the God-Emperor Trump has ascended to the Golden Throne it doesn’t mean his cleansing light has washed away all heretics.

Pretend to care about sports and talk about that instead. Don’t try and have deep and meaningful conversations, they will be a trap if anyone starts one with you.
 
Have any of you ever outed yourself as a
TERF at work
Soft outing - but I was in a setting with older Women and so I knew I wouldn't raise too many eyebrows if I brought up that I thought it was "A little weird that men were playing in Women's sports; and it's a little weird that they only ever seem to go for sports where they can dominate. I don't see them going for sports where Women dominate like gymnastics, odd, huh?" It didn't hurt that it was related to the conversation we were having at the time, so I was able to bring it up in a way that felt natural to the conversation.

Asking about HP/ JKR is how I put feelers out.
 
Have any of you ever outed yourself as a
TERF at work, not saying anything offensive per s, but acknowledging that bio sex is more important than gender? I said something on Slack and thought it would go away but I am definitely treated differently by my colleagues who (and this gets my goat) have a shitty, self-aggrandizing work ethic that is anathema to me. It stinks and I don’t like it.

Knowing that I basically outed myself, I asked if I could make a gender critical feminism book list and was told that I couldn’t because it’s a “queer-friendly profession” it is also supposed to be free speech friendly profession. I also think it’s anti-woman. I’m not going to renege on my opinions. Can anyone who has been in a similar situation offer any tips? I really love my job and you would think that I work for GLAAD given how much trannies come up, but IRL they don’t. It’s the corporate people who are keen on rainbow things.
On the one hand, I wish I had the courage. On the other hand, I know that I don't. Trans ideology is the order of the day at my workplace, so I simply shut up about anything political (though obviously if you have the correct political opinion, you don't have to shut up).

One thing that will force my hand is if they try to make pronouns in email compulsory. At that point I think I will be in for a number of Awkward Conversations.
 
I want to ask, why did it seems like a fake story to you?
If there people who want rape kids and animals why is this seen as too far to be real?
It's more how over the top it was as opposed to how bad it was. A demon leaning in to read a children a story feels way too much like something a religious fundie would make up. Same with John Money. Like get it, money? Experimenting on children for money? But I believed the Alfred Kinsey thing when I heard it, because it didn't seem as ridiculous to me.

I also didn't actually know much about "lgbt history" because I didn't actually care about it specifically. I will never make that same mistake again.
Plus another reason why I thought it was to insane to be real is because if it were to be happening (which it is sadly) than it would be stomped out in no time, troons showing posters and teaching them about weird sexual shit would be stopped right? So if nobody is talking within the community than it's not happening.
Also this.
...Oh yeah, and Cuties. Kinda. I forgot to mention that in the other post. I guess that was the pre-peakening. It got huge audience backlash but the fact the movie was made in the first place, plus the fact that it got defenders at all made me raise eyebrows. I also noticed that it wasn't just the critics or journalists who were defending the movie.
Have any of you ever outed yourself as a
TERF at work, not saying anything offensive per s, but acknowledging that bio sex is more important than gender?
Yeah but I had a minimum wage job so I didn't have much to lose anyway. I told only one coworker I befriended but in the end it probably wasn't worth it because he never believed anything I said about it anyway. (And this is despite talking to transgender people for years, mind you. Still didn't believe me.)
 
Have any of you ever outed yourself as a
TERF at work, not saying anything offensive per s, but acknowledging that bio sex is more important than gender? I said something on Slack and thought it would go away but I am definitely treated differently by my colleagues who (and this gets my goat) have a shitty, self-aggrandizing work ethic that is anathema to me. It stinks and I don’t like it.

Knowing that I basically outed myself, I asked if I could make a gender critical feminism book list and was told that I couldn’t because it’s a “queer-friendly profession” it is also supposed to be free speech friendly profession. I also think it’s anti-woman. I’m not going to renege on my opinions. Can anyone who has been in a similar situation offer any tips? I really love my job and you would think that I work for GLAAD given how much trannies come up, but IRL they don’t. It’s the corporate people who are keen on rainbow things.
I have been various levels of out at work for my last few jobs and within 2 years of taking my current one I had to out myself to everyone. I am not sure how to word it without a full power level but where I work serves vulnerable populations and that includes 'beds'. Everyone was kind of glossing over specifying who would be able to sleep where and I had to cut that shit real quick while using sjw language.

I posited that natural born women are, statistically (provably) the most vulnerable of this population especially the handicapped and that to allow them to process their trauma and be able to thrive and also preserve their dignity blah blah blah- you absolutely are going to be separating by sex right? like, I need you to say it, we're not abandoning women. there can be mixed too but no woman is going to be forced to bed with a penised person RIGHT?

I could hear audible inhales but I got my way, forced them to say it.
 
I have been various levels of out at work for my last few jobs and within 2 years of taking my current one I had to out myself to everyone. I am not sure how to word it without a full power level but where I work serves vulnerable populations and that includes 'beds'. Everyone was kind of glossing over specifying who would be able to sleep where and I had to cut that shit real quick while using sjw language.

I posited that natural born women are, statistically (provably) the most vulnerable of this population especially the handicapped and that to allow them to process their trauma and be able to thrive and also preserve their dignity blah blah blah- you absolutely are going to be separating by sex right? like, I need you to say it, we're not abandoning women. there can be mixed too but no woman is going to be forced to bed with a penised person RIGHT?

I could hear audible inhales but I got my way, forced them to say it.
I like the last part. "Forced them to say it".

Because trans lunacy is so far gone someone will look you in the eye and say 'this ward is single-sex, female only' and what they mean is 'this ward includes men who say they are women'.

So you have to be specific, even though trans lunacy has made that so, so hard. We have been reduced to saying 'penised person' even though that isn't what we mean. We mean male, whether he has inverted his penis or not.

Is society too far gone to end this madness? I'm not as optimistic as others. I think to roll this shit back will take years and decades if it ever indeed happens at all.
 
Is society too far gone to end this madness? I'm not as optimistic as others. I think to roll this shit back will take years and decades if it ever indeed happens at all.
I'm optimistic. I think maladapted patterns of behaviour either push things to their breaking point or they eventually self-destruct. The tranny movement will never reach a point of stability because troons are never satisfied. Even if you gave them everything they wanted today, they would have new demands tomorrow. This constant push for more either makes people eventually get sick of their shit, or the systems which sustain their worthless existence eventually fail.

Stinkditch is a testament to how dysfunctional trooning out makes you. Most of them are on the verge of necking themselves or giving their brain a lead injection. Incredibly basic tasks like social interactions become harrowing trials, because they live in constant fear of a four year old calling them a man. That dysfunctionality is self-defeating in the longterm, as opposed to ideologies and behaviour that promote self-growth and psychic resilience. Trannies are societal parasites who can only exist and sustain their delusions because society functions in spite of them. If it weren't for functional, productive people upholding their insane lifestyles, they would go extinct.

It'll take time to root out troons from institutions and for people to be peaked, but I'm confident that tranny ideology is not eternal. They have been able to hide themselves for now, but reality will eventually come knocking at their collective door and reassert itself.
 
I'm optimistic. I think maladapted patterns of behaviour either push things to their breaking point or they eventually self-destruct. The tranny movement will never reach a point of stability because troons are never satisfied. Even if you gave them everything they wanted today, they would have new demands tomorrow. This constant push for more either makes people eventually get sick of their shit, or the systems which sustain their worthless existence eventually fail.

Stinkditch is a testament to how dysfunctional trooning out makes you. Most of them are on the verge of necking themselves or giving their brain a lead injection. Incredibly basic tasks like social interactions become harrowing trials, because they live in constant fear of a four year old calling them a man. That dysfunctionality is self-defeating in the longterm, as opposed to ideologies and behaviour that promote self-growth and psychic resilience. Trannies are societal parasites who can only exist and sustain their delusions because society functions in spite of them. If it weren't for functional, productive people upholding their insane lifestyles, they would go extinct.

It'll take time to root out troons from institutions and for people to be peaked, but I'm confident that tranny ideology is not eternal. They have been able to hide themselves for now, but reality will eventually come knocking at their collective door and reassert itself.
Respectfully, your optimism seems misplaced to me.

Wokeness is a disease seemingly without a cure. It is so embedded in institutions, fat brown lesbians in senior positions in the Los Angeles Fire Department say openly that if she 'has to carry out [a man] from a fire, he got himself in the wrong place' and that when you are rescued, you want someone who 'looks like you'.

Trans ideology is incoherent, but incoherency did not stop its rise. Trans people have many psychological comorbidities, but that did not stop the rise of trans ideology.

Right now, in at least one state in Australia, parents can register their child's birth sex as 'X'. This can't be undone. You can't even use the workaround of 'identified male at birth' or 'registered male at birth' or whatever the current 'workaround' to actually talking about someone's actual sex is.

I would like nothing better than to be completely wrong about the power of trans ideology. I would like nothing better than it for it to come crashing down. But I am not a natural pollyanna. I have to believe the evidence of my eyes and ears, and I have to make a realistic assessment over the absolute deathgrip trans ideology has on people of all political persuasions. Nearly all leftists, obviously, but much of the right as well.

When the last male is expelled from female sports in California, then I'll rest more easily.
 
I was always suspicious of it, but never gave it much thought until the past couple years or so.

When I was in late elementary and early middle school, I was part of a small, now long defunct forum Called CodeModuleKND. It was basically a spoof of the Codename Kids Next Door show on Cartoon Network, which I of course was a fan of growing up. Initially that's what we did, kept up the fiction of being in the various sectors. Now despite what you may think, this actually was a bunch of kids and young teens, not pedos. We did a bunch of video calls together and I even met a few of them in person later, so I can confirm that. But at some point, a few of the higher ranked members really began to push early LGBT shit hard. For context, this was ~2008-2011, so this was before social justice became even remotely mainstream. And a girl who was basically 2nd in command of the whole site "came out" as an FTM. Mind you this girl is only a few months older than I am (she's one of the people I met in person. She is who she said she was) and I was only 13 at most when this happened. And after this, 1 or 2 of the other girls there announce their troonship as well (there were only maybe 25-30 of us at most who were really active, so 3 troons is a lot in context).

I had gotten to know these girls before they trooned, they seemed fairly normal and happy. But after, they became increasingly depressed and almost feral. They'd snap at people over minor shit, they just become more unpleasant all around. The first girl was dating one of the guys prior to the troon thing and made a stink about him ultimately breaking up with and eventually cutting contact with her over it. I didn't really know any better at the time, so I still had some contact with her for a few years after the forum effectively went dark. And she gradually became a more and more feral leftoid slacktivist. I haven't spoken to her at all since maybe 2017, but she still has my brother and I on her socials, so I see the troonposting. She even went full circle and went from insisting she was really a man to claiming that she's now a nonbinary lesbian. It's funny to point and watch from a distance, but it's just surreal seeing the change happen to someone you know in real time. And there is no good that comes out of it for anyone involved. You end up a slave to pharma and you become too ideologically posessed to have normal friendships or relationships. In her case, it's even more sad because this happened before she was even 18. She was left broken before she could even know better and how she either has to spend the rest of her life coping by doubling down on the delusions of grandeur or take an honest look at what she let herself get talked into and probably spiral into a deep depression that you can never really recover from.

The 3 girls aren't the only people I saw fall victim to troonhood, just the first. While troon ideology itself is absolutely evil, I understand that many people were manipulated into it against the better judgement of those around them. It is repulsive and transphobia (it's not fear ofc, more like disgust) is a good snd proper thing, but unless they're talking about grooming kids or forcing pronouns, honestly feel more sorry for them, particularly for those who got got under 18. But in spite of this pity, if anyone I care about in the future expresses desire to troon, I will do my best to keep them from making that mistake. Do not cater to their delusions whatsoever, but be willing to offer support otherwise. Many of those targeted are often outcasts like I myself was at that age, and people will do some crazy things to fit in when they have nowhere else to belong.
 
They have been able to hide themselves for now, but reality will eventually come knocking at their collective door and reassert itself.
This is the "they'll graduate and learn what real life is like" mindset. And it is fundamentally incorrect. The part that's insane about trannies is that for the most part they have not hidden themselves and the train has continued to fall off the tracks anyway.

The main issue is that a lot of "guard rails" like yes, religion and having a sense of shame isn't really there anymore. It's seen as a faux pas to even suggest there should be. When people start feeling ashamed for being perverts and wanting other people to know they're perverts is when this ends. Because that is what a lot of tranny (and other assorted nonsense) is ultimately about at its core. Perversion. Until that is dealt with it's business as usual.
 
This is the "they'll graduate and learn what real life is like" mindset. And it is fundamentally incorrect. The part that's insane about trannies is that for the most part they have not hidden themselves and the train has continued to fall off the tracks anyway.
Respectfully, your optimism seems misplaced to me.
Yeah, you're both right unfortunately. I'm being too optimistic for my own good. Mere pushback won't be enough to get rid of them, and there won't be some magical awakening where they will stop or suddenly stop having positions of power. Slika is right that this issue seems to have an overwhelming consensus on both the left and the right in favour of troons.
 
There are any number of pseudo-scientific fads that have come and gone in the past. This will be another of them.

Consider Phrenology. From the tail of the 18th century to the middle of the 19th, Phrenology was considered a sound and rational scientific theory, with proponents at every level of society and within the governments of many western nations. The middle classes were enamoured with the idea that they could discover the hidden talents and abilities of their favoured children. Highly influential figures advocated for it to be adopted by governments as a solution to a raft of social problems. It had an international organisation with more than 1000 members, many of whom were medical professionals, who created and distributed official guidelines and carried out studies of the efficacy of phrenology for improving lives and saving people from inevitable suicide.

Its rejection in the mid 1840s was abrupt, but could have been predicted by looking at all the evidence against the idea that rapidly accumulated from the 1820s. It's seen as a joke now. Troonery will be no different, in the end. By the 60s, we'll all be laughing about how stupid everyone was to believe it.
Phrenology is real. I can tell because ugly people are also dumb.
 
The main issue is that a lot of "guard rails" like yes, religion and having a sense of shame isn't really there anymore. It's seen as a faux pas to even suggest there should be. When people start feeling ashamed for being perverts and wanting other people to know they're perverts is when this ends. Because that is what a lot of tranny (and other assorted nonsense) is ultimately about at its core. Perversion. Until that is dealt with it's business as usual.

The main guardrail was normal people would look at you weird, sneer in disgust, and exclude you from things. But we've replaced that with an ethic that centers "being your true self," and if someone is being his "true self," it's morally wrong to exclude him or even feel uncomfortable around him. That's why I'm ultimately pessimistic about this. I see this as a natural outworking of a core moral principle that has been around for decades and has now consumed everything, and I don't see that principle being challenged.
 
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I see this as a natural outworking of a core moral principle that has been around for decades and has now consumed everything, and I don't see that principle being challenged.

Seeing that some experts have pointed out that the normalization of things like gender-bending, crossdressing, and homosexuality are heralds for the end of civilizations, we'll need a partial or total societal collapse before the root problem is dealt with.

Things will get worse before they get worse.
 
I've got a peak trans story. It was 2016/17

I met this woman through work. She helped organise these women-only adventure trips. The name of the org had a double x in it, like EXXperience or something. I thought it was a cool name, but she wanted to change it because it wasn't trans inclusive enough. This was in spite of the fact no transwoman had ever applied before.
"Trans women are women!", she said. Another voice in the room echoed this mantra I'd never heard before.
She was an extreme feminist, but she gave me a dirty look when I suggested that a tranny joining an exclusively female adventure would be a male entryist. Huh!?

It did leave me thinking. Why the fuck would a feminist organisation change its name to cater for potential cross-dressing men?

Less than a week later I went on Facebook. There was some pithy feminist post on my feed, and one of the profiles who replied caught my attention; the thumbnail looked like a battered woman, except it looked too staged.
I clicked on the profile. He was a man who'd gone MTF within the past year. He'd just had a nose job, so he had black eyes and plasters on his face. He had taken this opportunity to pose for a picture as a pornified beaten up woman. Knickers, bra and knee socks, pouty injured face... the works. It was chilling.

Those things came together in my mind. Women's spaces were opening up to men. The men who were entering women's spaces were perverts. There was a mantra to support all this.

The more I saw the worse it got. The efforts to censor conversation cemented my opinion. The depravity written on Twitter, alongside the banning of accounts who named it as depraved. The way that Mumsnet's advertisers were targeted, in spite of the milquetoast nature of the conversation. The fact that all women's and lesbians' spaces on Reddit were mandated to be trans-inclusive with the sole exception of "lesbian" pornography.

Fuck those guys. Fuck the way they label any pushback as genocide. Fuck their threats that children will commit suicide if they can't be mutilated. Top hat me if you will, but there are good reasons why I'm a transphobe.
 
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