Why do we put so much stock into loli/underaged characters as a direct link to being a pedo?

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

You got neg-rated for your retarded first post in that thread and then you backpedaled to get approval in your following posts

Describe exactly how I "backpedaled", and what I said that was retarded. Anyway, it's no surprise you changed the subject to this once I showed you obscenity is indeed an enforceable standard with a very recent example.

The day I see a lolicon artist become mainstream and win a bunch of awards will be the day.

Right, there's not a single popular artist who's won several awards that has drawn loli, I'm sure

You are completely against freedom of expression if you believe "obscenity" is always a valid excuse for censorship en-masse.

There is a greater argument for banning firearms, drugs, alcohol, and black people than there is for banning any kind of porn.

Hey would you look at that, we're half in agreement. I love finding common ground.

Your entire viewpoint is emotional and irrational and cannot be backed up by any factual information.

Why does every loli fapper accuse me of being emotional as they melt down defending it? I just have a principled stance against it and pornography in general because I acknowledge that it's a net negative for society.

I assure you I have no strong emotions over porn, let alone cartoon porn. And my position is quite rational, I weigh the pros & cons of porn and make a common sense value judgment.

As for your whining about my lack of peer-reviewed tranny researcher sources, I don't need them but you do. They're your shield, your appeal to authority fallacy isn't impressive to me though.

You should hang out with third-wave feminists, they have the same mindset as you. You know, wanting things banned just because they don't like them, no other reason.

Disingenuous comparison, but you know that, of course. The reasons people have for disliking things are important. Feminists not liking the nuclear family is a bit different than me not liking pornography, what with some things being good and bad. I'm sorry that your moral compass is non-existent and that your wisdom is that of a chimp's.

Ultimately, it's clear you avoided each of my rebuttals and chose a few things I said which most triggered you to cry about rather than to engage further in debate on this subject. You should formally concede.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

Inb4 you're a pedo for even asking the question, but it just seems like such a weird disconnect between how the rest of media is handled. If you want to call it creepy, you're absolutely right. It is. It's just not a 1:1 link with a person who would commit horrific crimes.

you people belong on a watchlist

 

[r9k-speaks]

Glad to know you're a good boy with a clean hard drive.

Well as Pornhub found out, if you have ever watched or downloaded amateur porn, it could be CP. As Pornhub was unable to verify ages reliably, they had to virtually wipe most of their amateur content off the servers. After pressure from the credit card companies.

 

[Retard of the Month]

Well as Pornhub found out, if you have ever watched or downloaded amateur porn, it could be CP. As Pornhub was unable to verify ages reliably, they had to virtually wipe most of their amateur content off the servers. After pressure from the credit card companies.

Who would've thought Visa would be the best way to ban pornography?

 

[r9k-speaks]

Who would've thought Visa would be the best way to ban pornography?

Well there was already lawsuits being brought against Pornhub by Women who were filmed when they were underaged. I imagine if things blew up it would be basically admitting Mastercard and Visa were complicit in CP. Which they already were of course, there's no way they didn't know. They just didn't want it publicized.

 

[Spud]

How would this website fare if it was subject to the obscenity laws you want to implement?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Well as Pornhub found out, if you have ever watched or downloaded amateur porn, it could be CP. As Pornhub was unable to verify ages reliably, they had to virtually wipe most of their amateur content off the servers. After pressure from the credit card companies.

That's a whole different ballgame from seeking it out, and those were real people. I don't think you'd get in any more trouble for that than you would for having The Guy Game for PS2 in your collection.

How would this website fare if it was subject to the obscenity laws you want to implement?

I'm not talking about implementing any new ones, just enforcing what exists. Seeing as there's no obscenity charges being brought to KF, and I see no possible reason they could be, I think it'd be just fine. Any potential problematic material here is explicitly for archival purposes only, not titillation, context a jury would take into consideration.

I don't think any pornography just for the sake of cooming is allowed here. The only thread that could even theoretically qualify as obscene is the "watch people die" one, which could be nipped and the site could carry on 99.9999% unaffected by its removal.

 

[Spud]

I'm not talking about implementing any new ones, just enforcing what exists. Seeing as there's no obscenity charges being brought to KF, and I see no possible reason they could be

So when the enemies of the site start using them will you be okay with it cause those same laws will target the things you don't like as well.

context a jury would take into consideration.

Like the jury that convicted Derek for kneeling on St. Floyd whilst he was ODing on fent.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

So when the enemies of the site start using them will you be okay with it cause those same laws will target the things you don't like as well.

Is there content you think would qualify as patently obscene here?

Like the jury that convicted Derek for kneeling on St. Floyd whilst he was ODing on fent.

No system is perfect, it can and will be abused. That doesn't mean we don't enforce some standards in society.

 

[Spud]

Is there content you thinkmwould qualify as patently obscene here?

The entirety of Animal Control and Stinkditch

No system is perfect, it can and will be abused. That doesn't mean we don't enforce some standards in society.

What standards though? That all kids need to be on puberty blockers by age 7? State enforced homosexuality? Letting children be ripped from their families cause dad said no on trooning the kids out? People like you and who you consider your enemies are people who cannot leave law abiding people alone, you have to enforce your morality, your standards and your way of life. I don't like either of you and I would like to be left alone but you just won't cause I don't pass the ever changing purity spiral.

 

[r9k-speaks]

That's a whole different ballgame from seeking it out, and those were real people. I don't think you'd get in any more trouble for that than you would for having The Guy Game for PS2 in your collection.

Well wasn't there that case of the porn star in the 70's that supplied a fake ID? Men bought thousands of her videos and magazines. But it turned out she was 16 years old. Today it exists in some weird limbo.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The entirety of Animal Control and Stinkditch

I don't visit them, what's there and for what purpose?

What standards though? That all kids need to be on puberty blockers by age 7? State enforced homosexuality? Letting children be ripped from their families cause dad said no on trooning the kids out? People like you and who you consider your enemies are people who cannot leave law abiding people alone, you have to enforce your morality, your standards and your way of life. I don't like either of you and I would like to be left alone but you just won't cause I don't pass the ever changing purity spiral.

By the standards we used to have, which I hope we'll attain again if we make America great again. The only standards that changed were thanks to the poison of liberalism; we're returning to tradition, not purity spiraling.

All those people who want to do that crazy shit you cited need to be dealt with using extreme prejudice, legally, but never will be if steps aren't taken to fix the culture. There needs to be an appetite for goodness stoked back up again or they'll just keep winning, forever, or at least until the collapse of the west (if we're lucky at that point).

Well wasn't there that case of the porn star in the 70's that supplied a fake ID? Men bought thousands of her videos and magazines. But it turned out she was 16 years old. Today it exists in some weird limbo.

Sounds like the same type of case I referred to, except a lot more sexual. Some famous movie star was apparently in Playboy nude and I guess some ads or something too, back when she was very young, I wanna say 14. Maybe even 13.

 

[r9k-speaks]

Sounds like the same type of case I referred to, except a lot more sexual. Some famous movie star was apparently in Playboy nude and I guess some ads or something too, back when she was very young, I wanna say 14. Maybe even 13.

Really? .......wow.

 

[Spud]

never will be if steps aren't taken to fix the culture

What do you mean by fix? Iron fist? Ideologically charged courts? Or are you actually going to listen to normal people who ask to be left alone and just leave them alone? Also, whose culture are you going to replace it with? Your Authoritarian regime? The Culture of the founding fathers? You're only upset cause it's not your boot on peoples necks.

There needs to be an appetite for goodness stoked back up again

Define goodness? The things you find good or things that are good for people as a whole? Every food and drink in large quantities is harmful to a person, you gonna make laws restricting how much food and drink a person is allowed to buy? Or is their agency respected as the are allowed the freedom to make the choice themselves?

 

[TheArtilleryman]

Why is it that threads ragging on women and discussing the ethics of loli always swell to 20+ pages? It's not a good look, guys

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Really? .......wow.

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Holy shit nigger why did you type that into Google lol. But that's a lot younger than I remembered.

What do you mean by fix? Iron fist? Ideologically charged courts? Or are you actually going to listen to normal people who ask to be left alone and just leave them alone? Also, whose culture are you going to replace it with? Your Authoritarian regime? The Culture of the founding fathers? You're only upset cause it's not your boot on peoples necks.

I mean, iron fist would be preferable and probably the only long-term solution, but there's never going to be enough support for that on the right. I think at best we will cycle between Weimar and pre-tranny worship 00's forever, or until the left crushes us with an iron fist, which there's plenty of support for.

Define goodness? The things you find good or things that are good for people as a whole?

I define it as Christian values, which are good for people as a whole; they never hurt a soul in and of themselves, not counting people doing things in Christ's name which actually oppose his teachings.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other” is the damn truth.

Every food and drink in large quantities is harmful to a person, you gonna make laws restricting how much food and drink a person is allowed to buy? Or is their agency respected as the are allowed the freedom to make the choice themselves?

If I was a dictator in this scenario, absolutely, but that level of extremism isn't something we ever had nor will we ever (from the right anyway), for better or worse. But this is getting off-topic a bit, I think.

 

[r9k-speaks]

Why is it that threads ragging on women and discussing the ethics of loli always swell to 20+ pages? It's not a good look, guys

I just get tired of talking about cartoon girls while former CIA tells people theres actual international child trafficking happening with various governments consent. So it tells me they don't really give a flying fuck about kids, they just want to look good to their online friends.

 

[JamusActimus]

In my eyes, a problem with loli art/hentai is the fact that they portrait the child as a willing participant and sometimes instigator of the sex.
They also enjoy it 99% of the time and when they don't they actually enjoy it still and go full ahego orgasm mode.

I don't have a PhD in pedophilia yet but when a child gets molested it's something sick where the adult does something disgusting to a confused child that does not understand what is happening and then the pain sets in and the child start to cry and protest.

The only cases when a child might seem to enjoy it is if he has been mindfucked long enough to be fully under the adult's control.

 

[Spud]

I mean, iron fist would be preferable and probably the only long-term solution, but there's never going to be enough support for that

No normal person is ever gonna support iron fist ruling from a Internet retard.

the left crushes us with an iron fist, which there's plenty of support for.

The team sports you're partaking in is the problem. You are in full support of the same tactics used by them against people you don't like, you just don't like them being used against you

this is getting off-topic a bit, I think.

The topic is whether government should have more involvement in peoples lives and they can and can't do, you're for and I'm against. I've seen your kind, time and time again. You are exactly the same you just have different colours for your teams.

It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other

That includes yours you know.

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

Describe exactly how I "backpedaled", and what I said that was retarded. Anyway, it's no surprise you changed the subject to this once I showed you obscenity is indeed an enforceable standard with a very recent example.

Again, your idea of obscenity laws "working" is someone getting away with writing toddler torture porn for 30 years. I don't see how that is changing the subject btw.

Right, there's not a single popular artist who's won several awards that has drawn loli, I'm sure

Would you kindly give me an example? Oh right, you don't believe in sourcing any of your claims. You're too arrogant and stupid.

As for your whining about my lack of peer-reviewed tranny researcher sources, I don't need them but you do. They're your shield, your appeal to authority fallacy isn't impressive to me though.

"Statistics? Methodology? All tranny logic. God speaks to me at night and tells me porn is bad." And citing your arguments isn't "appeal to authority", but you're so retarded I'm not surprised I have to explain that.

Ultimately, it's clear you avoided each of my rebuttals and chose a few things I said which most triggered you to cry about rather than to engage further in debate on this subject. You should formally concede.

My arguments are backed up by third parties, yours are backed up by nothing. You make nonsensical analogies, refuse to back up anything you say, confess you're a literal christfag multiple times, and all your claims come from your gaped asshole where Pope Francis has been. You're basically a cookie cutter christian conservative.

And then you beg me to concede. Why don't you just get me banned so I can't argue anymore? You can't. Because we don't live in a world where we ban and censor things we don't like. You are on a FORUM that would not be allowed to exist if there were more people like you in the world.

Seriously, if you had just said "I want loli/shota banned to protect children" you would have had some ground to stand on because that's a very easy and morally sound position to have. I know I have been arguing against kiwis who believe that (and have been pretty vitriolic toward them because haha funny internet shouting match), but I admit with full disclosure, even if it harms my free speech extremist arguments, that nobody is in the wrong for trying to protect kids.

But no, you chose "I want loli/shota banned because it's obscene" which makes you look like a redditor who saw r_TheDonald for the first time and got offended. You don't care about kids, you care about how YOU feel about it and nothing else. It's no wonder we antagonize each other so much is because you're an authoritarian and I'm not. At this point it's just a fundamental difference we won't be meeting halfway on.

All I have to say is, if you're a Christfag, you should get your religious leaders under control before going after lolicon.