Why do we put so much stock into loli/underaged characters as a direct link to being a pedo?

[Catler]

Why is it that threads ragging on women and discussing the ethics of loli always swell to 20+ pages? It's not a good look, guys

It's like abortion. The various sides of the issue yell at each other never considering what the other's are saying.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

No normal person is ever gonna support iron fist ruling from a Internet retard.

As they shouldn't.

The team sports you're partaking in is the problem. You are in full support of the same tactics used by them against people you don't like, you just don't like them being used against you

Politics is a team sport, it's the only way it functions. Some group is going to dictate the law, it's just a matter of who.

There is no neutrality. Either we will have an open border or not. Kids will be groomed or not. Unborn babies will be murdered or not. Many if not most wedge issues have no appreciable nuance, saying "well let's only let in 5 million illegals instead of 10 million" isn't nuance, it's an open border.

The people I don't like deserve woodchippers. Just because they think the same thing doesn't make it true. They do deserve them, we don't, naturally I won't like those tactics used against me. Only one of us can be correct.

The topic is whether government should have more involvement in peoples lives and they can and can't do, you're for and I'm against. I've seen your kind, time and time again. You are exactly the same you just have different colours for your teams.

Unless you're an anarchist then you concede government needs to involved in our lives. To what extent and controlled by who are the only questions then, and I think that hinges on what the government's purpose is even for in the first place. It's to make our lives better or we wouldn't want it. Thus, wielding the government for good is the entire goal, so we should do so.

The limiting principle is when lives are made bad or good is not done, that's it. If you think porn is necessary and good, argue for it. I argue it is bad. If you can't justify it better than me, the government we both agree we want for the same reasons will act as intended, removing what is bad.

Which team would you rather live under? Because you will live under one or the other.

That includes yours you know.

Can you elaborate?

Again, your idea of obscenity laws "working" is someone getting away with writing toddler torture porn for 30 years. I don't see how that is changing the subject btw.

Not sure what your point is. And as expected, you couldn't explain how I backpedaled.

Would you kindly give me an example?

Definitely not Ono Toshihiro, he only did this obscure manga called...Pokeman? Pokemoon? Something like that, it definitely wasn't a best-seller, and he wasn't also a prolific hentai artist who did Pookymon porn. Just some nobody who did nothing of note, never mind...

My arguments are backed up by third parties

Suck their cocks harder. Meanwhile you're getting angrier and angrier over loli, and it's funny. Arguments are sound or they're not. You can't engage my points so that speaks volumes.

The great thinkers and philosophers of the ages never cried for tranny soorces, they debated intelligently. If you can't hang with the Socratic method just say so.

And then you beg me to concede.

For your own good, paragraphs of seething impotent rage is embarrassing. Well, for my own good too honestly, you're too retarded to argue properly.

Seriously, if you had just said "I want loli/shota banned to protect children" you would have had some ground to stand on because that's a very easy and morally sound position to have.

That's a more difficult argument to make when it's cartoons, but it's easy to say it's obscene, because it is. It's the path of least resistance, and it makes you look retarded because you'll have to say "no the pornographic imagery of a baby getting drilled isn't obscene", and I win automatically at that point

You don't care about kids, you care about how YOU feel about it and nothing else.

Sure I do, it's a big reason I want porn banned in the first place and why I hate abortion. I know you want to pretend I'm emotional over here as you try making this about my feefees, but again, I assure you the cartoons aren't effecting me. My rational mind and moral compass wants it banned, not my feelings.

It's no wonder we antagonize each other so much is because you're an authoritarian and I'm not.

I don't feel antagonized by you in the least, just annoyed you're bad at this.

It's like abortion. The various sides of the issue yell at each other never considering what the other's are saying.

Liberals always just say "it's my right to x"; to coom, to infanticide, to gay marry, to open the border and flood us with shitskins. Liberals think just saying something is their """right""" is sufficient and that it's a mic drop. Debating them is just like playing Chess with a pidgeon.

 

[Catler]

Liberals always just say "it's my right to x"; to coom, to infanticide, to gay marry, to open the border and flood us with shitskins. Liberals think just saying something is their """right""" is sufficient and that it's a mic drop.

This is off topic, but I kind of agree. The idea of natural rights is stupid, no such things exist. If someone, or a group of people want something they need to fight the system for it (be it society, a government, religion, etc).

It just so happens that the lefties you dislike have been far better at it.

 

[Spud]

Can you elaborate?

I can but I'm not going to. Instead I'll point to what I replied to

It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other

You're a smart guy, I'm sure you can figure it out.

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

Not sure what your point is. And as expected, you couldn't explain how I backpedaled.

"See? The Law:tm: works, we got him after 30 long years!"
"Wait, what do you mean there's more people writing this shit??? How does this keep happening??? I thought we had laws for this"

I don't actually give a shit about your posts in other threads, you're the one that brought them in as some kind of defense for your argument. It's really funny you practically sourced yourself as a citation for an argument. You're too high off your own farts for any debate.

Arguments are sound or they're not. You can't engage my points so that speaks volumes.

The great thinkers and philosophers of the ages never cried for tranny soorces, they debated intelligently. If you can't hang with the Socratic method just say so.

I have been directly engaging your delusions, so that's my only mistake. The fact you're so confidently incorrect it's kind of cute honestly, maybe that's why I'm still here.
This guy sucks off a bunch of long dead greek fucks who touched little boys but says modern methods and statistics are for trannies. Am I the only one seeing this shit?

Let me try speaking conservatard. Can you point to the bible verse where it says inappropriate drawings of kids are obscene?
How about that time the ancient greek philosopher Shotacus who famously debated Cocknballos about whether or not his waifu was okay to jerk off to?
Did god touch you tenderly and whisper in your ear to kill niggers and trannies or else you won't get to heaven?

it makes you look retarded because you'll have to say "no the pornographic imagery of a baby getting drilled isn't obscene", and I win automatically at that point

Again, literally nobody is saying it's not obscene. What people are saying is obscenity isn't enough on its own to prosecute someone in 99.9% of cases. And that is the world you live in, your brain just hasn't caught up yet, you're stuck in the 1950's for some reason.

Freedom of expression in America is not going away, it's been in the Constitution for a long ass time. You can always go to Australia, you know?

My rational mind and moral compass wants it banned, not my feelings.

*tips fedora*

I don't feel antagonized by you in the least, just annoyed you're bad at this.

You're a smart guy, I'm sure you can figure it out.

He sure thinks he's smarter than everyone else on the planet, that's for sure.

 

[SenutiSolidus]

At the end of the day, all of this (on both sides) is a waste of effort that (if people cared) should go towards stopping genuine abusers.

...But since we're here, hypthetical for antis: If you knew someone was a lolicon but he went to great effort and at great personal risk to stop CSA in person, would you still censure him in your mind?

 

[Abella]

Even if there’s no connection between liking lolicon and pedophilia, have you ever had to deal with people that are obsessed with liking lolicon? They’re genuinely annoying people after a while. They’re like troons in the sense that if you say anything remotely negative about their fetish they either try to sperg out and argue with you, or they’ll just screech at you. If that doesn’t work they’ll sometimes opt for sharing their porn collection with you. If not that they have a few other copes they love to whip out.

 

[SenutiSolidus]

Even if there’s no connection between liking lolicon and pedophilia, have you ever had to deal with people that are obsessed with liking lolicon? They’re genuinely annoying people after a while. They’re like troons in the sense that if you say anything remotely negative about their fetish they either try to sperg out and argue with you, or they’ll just screech at you. If that doesn’t work they’ll sometimes opt for sharing their porn collection with you. If not that they have a few other copes they love to whip out.

Yeah, I get that, but it is possible that they don't want to be lumped in with genuine acting pedophiles (or even child porn nonces) so they overproject. They want to call lolicon normal (which it isn't) because most other fetishes don't get lumped in with the most horrific version of their fetish in real life. Not all furies are zoosadists, (almost) all vorefags aren't cannibals, etc.

 

[r9k-speaks]

How about that time the ancient greek philosopher Shotacus who famously debated Cocknballos about whether or not his waifu was okay to jerk off to?

"Shotacus who famously debated Cocknballos" oh god

 

[umseriously]

"why do we put so much stock into this?"
Because it's a easy way to virtual signal. That's all there is to it.

 

[SenutiSolidus]

"why do we put so much stock into this?"
Because it's a easy way to virtual signal. That's all there is to it.

The part I don't get is, everyone knows child porn is wrong. I don't get the whole hoo rah imma rape ur skull nonsense. If you want to activate your white knuckle rage release just look at troon news.

 

[cigint]

you gonna make laws restricting how much food and drink a person is allowed to buy? Or is their agency respected

Thread is now officially crossing over from pedo defense to fatty defense. Not that there isn't a lot of overlap in the demographics.

 

[skykiii]

Why is it that threads ragging on women and discussing the ethics of loli always swell to 20+ pages? It's not a good look, guys

Because let's be honest...

Most of the reason these threads happen is because a lot of people in them have popped a boner at a loli at some point and are now either massively soul-searching, seeking absolution, or are in massive denial.

And then of course there's the guys who never figured out (or have forgotten) that boners don't necessarily mean sexual arousal and just happen to remember they got one while watching Hamtaro or something and are now insecure about it.

Essentially, most of these threads should actually be titled:

"Guys, am I a pedophile?"

or

"Here's the succinct reason I'm not a pedophile."

Or

"I'm crusading against pedophilia to prove I'm not a pedophile!"

It's made worse because Deep Thoughts reflects that worst of ancient conservatist aspects: "anything that makes me feel better is actually bad for me," They probably won't take aspirin to relieve a headache or major painkillers to relief back pain because they're afraid its the devil's temptation.... and like Penn Jillette once pointed out, these guys are never satisfied with resisting temptation on their own, they have to make sure nobody else gives in (and gets to actually have fun) too.

 

[r9k-speaks]

The part I don't get is, everyone knows child porn is wrong. I don't get the whole hoo rah imma rape ur skull nonsense. If you want to activate your white knuckle rage release just look at troon news.

lolicon bashing is still socially acceptable online. I've seen people complain Anime is the cause of all societies problems.

 

[Retard of the Month]

...But since we're here, hypthetical for antis: If you knew someone was a lolicon but he went to great effort and at great personal risk to stop CSA in person, would you still censure him in your mind?

My desire for TFD doesn't change the fact that I'm a faggot.

 

[Spud]

Thread is now officially crossing over from pedo defense to fatty defense. Not that there isn't a lot of overlap in the demographics.

Makes the idea of less power to the government more digestible.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Again, literally nobody is saying it's not obscene. What people are saying is obscenity isn't enough on its own to prosecute someone in 99.9% of cases.

And what I'm saying is loli should be banned on those grounds, not that we need to prosecute 99.9% of cases; I'd be fine with it just being banned so that sites don't host it, I'm not arguing to waste time, effort, and resources prosecuting people over cartoons, except for sites which host it.

Is it so bad to want the Internet cleaned up? Look how effective society can be when it wants to be. Virtually all of the Internet strictly forbids """hate speech""" and there's not even a ban on it, it's just something the Internet unanimously and effectively set a de facto ban on. Why not have a de jure ban on loli then? It would virtually disappear from the Internet just like hate speech did, except for a few shady sites where no kids or unsuspecting "normal porn" viewers could stumble upon it, and everyone's happy.

*tips fedora*

The irony here, you're really not self-aware are you? Lmao you're arguing for porn and seething about Christianity

He sure thinks he's smarter than everyone else on the planet, that's for sure.

Nah, but even an idiot knows porn isn't good for society, it's a net negative which shouldn't be considered protected speech.

Anyway, you're too defensive over this topic to debate it properly. We'll have to agree to disagree.

..But since we're here, hypthetical for antis: If you knew someone was a lolicon but he went to great effort and at great personal risk to stop CSA in person, would you still censure him in your mind?

Are you talking about a Batman-esque loli fapper who goes around hunting pedophiles? I'd respect the hell out Loliman for his public service, but I'd still consider him immoral and wouldn't change my stance on wanting it banned.

Even if there’s no connection between liking lolicon and pedophilia, have you ever had to deal with people that are obsessed with liking lolicon? They’re genuinely annoying people after a while. They’re like troons in the sense that if you say anything remotely negative about their fetish they either try to sperg out and argue with you, or they’ll just screech at you. If that doesn’t work they’ll sometimes opt for sharing their porn collection with you. If not that they have a few other copes they love to whip out.

@Lightsaber Dildo

Most of the reason these threads happen is because a lot of people in them have popped a boner at a loli at some point and are now either massively soul-searching, seeking absolution, or are in massive denial.

"You don't like gay people, you must be gay"

My desire for TFD doesn't change the fact that I'm a faggot.

Based

 

[skykiii]

"You don't like gay people, you must be gay"

Happiness is a warm blanket, Charlie Brown.

 

[Retard of the Month]

Most of the reason these threads happen is because a lot of people in them have popped a boner at a loli at some point and are now either massively soul-searching, seeking absolution, or are in massive denial.

I'll admit that I used to get off on some obscene loli stuff back in the day.

I was also a shota.

And even back then, I knew that I'd have to give it all up the day I turned 18. (Not like it was hard - I preferred the older ones, anyway.)

 

[skykiii]

I'll admit that I used to get off on some obscene loli stuff back in the day.

I dunno about obscene, but I remember when I was first into anime I didn't mind the youth of the girls because, I mean, they were usually the same age as me, if not younger.

And I think Deep Thoughts often forgets that most of the audience is teenagers--the adult pedos are an outlier. Really its no different than George Lucas putting Ewoks in a movie so it'll appeal to kids, except here there's sequel connotations to it and that gets the moral guardians in a twist.