Community Yaoi and MPreg Fandom Discussion Thread

[CTR Operative]

Japanese fujos treat yaoi like most men treat lesbian porn. Something to wank to and fuck off,

Yeah, I remember Minami Ozaki, one of the OGs, putting it like "I like pretty men. I like two pretty men." And that was the extent of it for decades, even in the west. You never hear about epidemics of old ladies who wrote Kirk/Spock zines in the 70s pooning out.

 

[gay porn is the best porn]

also who cares if they "portray your struggles as cutesy" that's a whiny ass self-centered thing 2 care about, it's fictional stories and no one's fetishing you bro. I don't think every negative aspect of something has to be portrayed in any media about that thing. It's giving "we need more representation!!!" who tf is gonna read about gay men cleaning the shit out of their assholes and getting called faggot on the street.

Please fuck off and kill yourself already, you're gonna bitch and moan about straight porn being bad but you fujoshits consume way fucking more than just yaoi and bl managa and you know it. Please be serious for once because you and me both know that there is just as much exploitation and human trafficking within the gay side of the porn industry as there is to the straight side (proportionally speaking).
To conclude, you're a fujoshit tranny faggot who needs to stop being obsessed with gay men; we don't fuck with you and we despise you people from the bottom of our hearts. You can't put the blame on us because your mentally ill fujo friends decide to poon out.

 

[no ragrets]

and now, if you don't mind me sperging out, I've thought about the psycho-social reasons behind why yaoi is so common, and think it's kinda escapism for women to express their sexual feelings without having to project onto a female character since 90% of the time in porn or even romance media they have no agency and in relationships they're only an object to be claimed (or a stereotypical caricature for some man's fetish). Male characters are more often actually allowed to have depth and humanity, so projecting onto a male character feels easier since it's more divorced from the current stereotypes women have to live with, there's no "i'm not as pretty as her he wouldn't choose me" "He's only choosing her because she's an available hot female", it would feel like actually being chosen for who you are without the baggage of being female in society. most yaoi manga (that I've read) focuses way more heavily on the romance aspect than just being porn (there'll be like 1 sex scene and then 50 chapters of talking abt their feelings). Idk if it's different for like western yaoi fanfic and shi i don't read that there might be more goonery

I think "yaoi is homophobic fetishism" only serves to make more girls who engage in it for the reasons stated above just poon out cuz then they get an excuse to not get hated on. particularly the young ones, more teenage girls are into yaoi since then it's very difficult to feel like you fit the "female role" since it's just made up stereotypes that get enforced on you at that age, so it's pretty easy if you hate/don't fit these gender roles to not want to have to have on your "girl costume" even in your fantasies.
orrrrrr maybe I'm just another autistic stupid woman idk
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I agree with you, when it comes to most manga and anime. The female characters are just there and their arcs were very disappointing. I used to watch anime and read manga as a kid, i was fighting for my life to support my fave female characters because it's them i cared about and ended up abandoning whatever i was watching because the authors simply didn't give a fuck about them.

But the yaoi craze, enforced by straight women, goes beyond manga and anime. Any tv show, movie, book that you love and would like to go online and interact with the fandom, it's just women obsessed with the two men who maybe interacted once, or are strictly friends and both have their female love interests, who are ignored. The plot, the meaning, the characters, none of it matters. Just these two men fucking. I mean, the fujoshis almost ruined succession for me because all they cared about was tom and greg fucking. Like, i wanna read who's going to be ceo theories.

And you have these female characters with backstory, interesting plots, personality, but the fujoshis don't give a fuck. They'll take the man who had 2 seconds of screentime and make up headcanons about him and ship him with another man and give him more importance than the female main character, who is actually interesting.

My point is, there's no excuse anymore. Women dominate most fandoms. Yaoi and gooning over it is a big deal because of them. They were the ones sending female actors death threats because they got in the way of their gay ship. There are plenty interesting female characters, straight ships, lesbian ships to choose from and care about. If you think a male character that showed up for 2 seconds is more important than the female lead, that's on you.

You can't relate to female characters because you're so special and not like other girls, you can only relate to a feminine fictional man that takes it up the ass (which is mostly your headcanon) because you hate women and being a woman, i don't think we can help you or you can blame it on misogyny or the patriarchy. It's your own personal choice, in a secluded online space.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

The plot, the meaning, the characters, none of it matters. Just these two men fucking.

Housewives of the past stuck with shipping Kirk/Spock for decades, since they had to wait years for new source material and there wasn't that much else to obsess about (there wasn't an another Spock or a comparable guy) and they did not have an other choice than to take at least a bit of interest in details, other characters and the lore.

Fujos of today have the entire internet at hand, so they can cruise all fandoms with the particular intention of finding THE two guys for their ass fucking fantasies. Sometimes they just absorb what do their mutuals play, watch or read, and make the yaoi out of it without interacting with the source material at all. When they get bored, nothing easier than move on and find self some other two men elsewhere to obsess about.

 

[Irreedemable Ret. 2]

I once had a fusho flatmate and she was really, really into this one yaoi which was basically some guy getting kidnapped and then mutilated and tortured horribly (Killing Stalking?) and she'd get all excited about it like...

According to the author of Killing Stalking it was meant to be psychological horror (How effective at it is another story) and the kidnapper was meant to be seen as a piece of shit, but fujos thought it was hot.

But yeah, Japanese fujos knew from the beginning it was straight as fuck. That was the point. Most of the old Japanese stories were straight guy meets femboy that's blatantly female-coded.

Lol it isn't necessarily, there is an "otokonoko" genre aimed at men about this shit. You can distinguish if it's male or female "coded" by how in the male oriented the crosdresser's male features are just a dick pretty much, while the female oriented has other traits like larger hands, shoulders, smaller eyes and slight jawline.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Was The Sims a notable factor for the MPreg craze becoming a thing? Starting with The Sims 2, Male Sims can get "pregnant" via alien abduction, so they'll get the pregnant belly, and then give birth to an alien baby. The subsequent games would include that, and The Sims 4 took it a step further when they added "Gender Customization" options, one of them being specifically if a Sim can either get pregnant, can get others pregnant, or neither.

 

[KifflomKween]

Was The Sims a notable factor for the MPreg craze becoming a thing? Starting with The Sims 2, Male Sims can get "pregnant" via alien abduction, so they'll get the pregnant belly, and then give birth to an alien baby. The subsequent games would include that, and The Sims 4 took it a step further when they added "Gender Customization" options, one of them being specifically if a Sim can either get pregnant, can get others pregnant, or neither.

Probably, I noticed you can add surgery scars when you customize your character as well.

 

[Dysnomia]

RPF = Real People Fiction. Basically its writing smut about actual real life people.
Its a weird stan thing, but as with the example I gave (not a joke, its a real story) it can go from "weird internet thing" to "extremly gross and creepy" real fast. If you thought creepy old dudes lusting after married women was bad, wait until you see the fujos that write full blown 10,000+ word gay smut fanfics about real life married men.

Lolcow Farm has a RPF thread and it's pretty much all Liam and Noel Gallagher incest. I'm surprised that it hasn't resulted in the Gallagherfags getting their own containment thread yet.

Yaoi hands are a funny meme. That's all.

Spoiler: There's no way the artist didn't know...

 

[Larry Poster]

Glad I walked into this thread

 

[CTR Operative]

Lol it isn't necessarily, there is an "otokonoko" genre aimed at men about this shit. You can distinguish if it's male or female "coded" by how in the male oriented the crosdresser's male features are just a dick pretty much, while the female oriented has other traits like larger hands, shoulders, smaller eyes and slight jawline.

Otokonoko started like 30 years after shonen-ai became a thing.

Anyway I'm not talking about the art style, I'm talking about the personality of the uke.

 

[Courtney Gears]

I'm not sure why this thread is on my homepage but after a brief skim I'm VERY glad I can't understand almost anything being said just based on the context.

 

[ishtar is incredible]

Yaoi is disgusting, but the omegaverse A/B/O bullshit is even worse. I really don't understand the appeal behind it or how it became an entire prominent genre of fanfic slop.

 

[Dysnomia]

Yaoi is disgusting, but the omegaverse A/B/O bullshit is even worse. I really don't understand the appeal behind it or how it became an entire prominent genre of fanfic slop.

I hate omegaverse. There are so many doujin with this garbage. I read one out of curiosity once. It was some "I am an omega but I look like an alpha and everyone wants my cock" nonsense. Ididn't hang around to meet any potential buttbabies.

 

[Dread First]

Oh God, it took this long for a friggin yaoi thread to be made? @Thé au lait thank you for splitting it out from another thread. Warning: stream of consciousness born of weeaboo nostalgia incoming!

I used to skulk around a ton of anime/manga sites since middle school when Naruto aired on Cartoon Network. The revelation that Naruto was already in Shippuden and rescuing Gaara while Cartoon Network was still airing 80 episodes of back-to-back filler was what led to me discovering NaruSasu on deviantART very early on. I've always had a certain... fondness for fujos, shall we say? They're like my favourite fandom subgroup to rib on, but I laugh both at and with them wherever I found fujos in the fandoms I was nominally a part of. All the guys I knew hated them for "ruining" their favourite animes, mangas, and TV shows, but I honestly found the yaoi shit fucking funny. Even as I dove further and further into obscure anime and interacting with fandom communities, I never felt repulsed by them. If anything, a ton of my female weeb friends growing up were hardcore fujos within my general age bracket at the time. It's not like chicks didn't enjoy Nardo, hell they had stronger opinions than I did on shit like Kishimoto's inability to write chicks or how fucking useless Sakura was from start to finish. They were just talking about and drawing NaruSasu, NaruGaara, SasuLee, Guy x Kakashi, and so on and so forth while the boys were harping about who was hotter: Anko, Kurenai, or Tsunade. Like... the correct answer for me was to turn off the computer and touch grass, I clearly didn't do that, but I would argue that breaking up my weeb phase among chicks and dudes was definitely for the better.

These were the same friends who recommended now-lifelong favourites like X/1999, Fruits Basket, Ouran HSHC, Lovely Complex, Skip Beat, Full Moon o Sagashite, the list goes on and on. We obviously discussed our favourite heterosexual ships, but after a certain point, even I was getting in on the BL fun. Oh, you're shipping Tomoe and Mizuki from Kamisama Kiss? You filthy peasant, you disgusting harlot! It's Kurama who belongs with Mizuki, not Tomoe! What's that? You're shipping Ichigo with Renji? Dawg, they got no fuckin chemistry whatsoever. Clearly the superior pairing is Ichigo with Grimmjow. Why are you shipping Zoro with Luffy? Luffy doesn't love Zoro's meat like that! Sanji and Zoro have that escalating rivalry that can lead to some intense moments of indiscretion. Like... okay, I am a fucking fruity ass mofo; I ain't ever denying that. Maybe that's why I leaned into the BL shit instead of sticking with initial confusion and revulsion. The way I interpreted yaoi was (at least between middle school and when I was in college) "hey man, it's fictional, we're engrossed in the work because we like it, and the pairing's cute! Plus, dumping yaoi memes in the group chat with the other guys for shits and giggles is always hilarious." Plus, it did break up the rather cyclical waifu bullshit "Rei best girl! Asuka gang or die! Misato's my mommy!" dynamic. Like... now I actually had a reason to say Kaworu best girl. It's not gay if you're Gay Space Jesus who makes gay piano noises with Shinji, ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Black Butler's a genuinely fantastic manga that's surprisingly devoid of hard BL imagery, you can blame A1 Pictures for that. Yet that won't stop me from shitting on SebaGrelle shippers for stanning a sex pest stalker who murdered Madame Red in front of Ciel. Clearly the superior pairing is Sebastian x Undertaker, but you'd only know that if you read far enough to the Luxury Liner arc.

There was a time where, I shit you not, I actually sat down and read Junjou Romantica and Gravitation. Junjou Romantica was so ridiculously bubbly and hackneyed, but it was so sweet and melodramatic in a way that I found endearing. Genuinely good shit, 7/10, I too wish to be embraced by Akihiko's gigantic yaoi hands. Gravitation, on the other hand, wasn't anywhere near as fun to watch yet Shuichi was such an adorable goofball I couldn't help but persist... even as my tolerance for the rest of the manga waned considerably for... too many reasons. That's neither here nor there, but I digress. Where I always drew a "soft" line was fan fiction/dojinshi. It's not that I "hate" them, it's that I've had limited exposure to fan fiction since I seldom sought it out, and a lot of the fan fiction I've read was pretty hit/miss. Fan fictions where Zuko's mom was actually dead the whole time, and Ozai was fucking with Zuko just to spite him? Sure, I'll give that a whirl. Fan fictions of the 2003 FMA series that tries to pick up where Conqueror of Shamballa left off? Yeah... no thanks. A few bad experiences like that, and it's easy to see why I never scratched the surface of the entire archive of Harry Potter and Daria fan fiction, and the endless straight/BL/WLW ship rabbit holes they contain therein. I'd pick up some fandom dynamics as I read or overheard conversations on Skype and Facebook way back when, but nothing ever "pulled" me in.

As far as the broader yaoi/BL/slash debate is concerned, I'd argue it's not as deep or problematic as its worst detractors make it out to be. Like... I know chicks online and IRL who've pooned out and went down the fujio -> FTM pipeline; that shit fucking sucked. Yet I still have some friends from the time, definitely a fraction of the original friend group, but they didn't poon out. They were like me: "hey, we think this shit's cute but it's fucking fiction, not something to ruin your life over." This is all an incredibly long-winded and tedious way of saying that Tweek x Craig is my favourite South Park episode and Super Craig and Wonder Tweek was my favourite part of the South Park video games. Let people enjoy shit, don't hesitate to call out weirdos, I can't think of a good way to end this.

 

[TheUnraped]

Honestly, i haven't had yaoitards (or fujoshis if you will) bother me in many years, they seem to have been bullied into being confined in their own bubble mostly.

Now, YURITARDS, however, that's a whole notta completely different story, those niggers deserve to have a public execution.

 

[#FF0000]

I don't really give a shit if people like yaoi but how the fuck does one like mpreg. You niggas are weird for liking that shit. If I see someone walking down the street with a shirt saying "I love mpreg" I would hit them with my car in a heartbeat

 

[CTR Operative]

Honestly one of the things I liked about yaoi back in my fujo days was that nobody could get pregnant, the whole assbaby thing (or even worse, omegaverse calls them "pups") always baffled me

 

[Bunny Tracks]

>this porn is less bad than this porn because muh objectification of women

No. All pornography is bad. It doesn't matter if it's drawn or real. It doesn't matter is its straight or fag or dyke. Yaoi IS the girl equivalent to "moid" (sounding like a femcel there, please don't do that) porn. Yaoi is porn.

I can't believe this has to be said.

I'm just gonna say it: The fact that so many anti-porn people on this site go out of their way to vehemently defend drawn, and written porn is suspicious as fuck, and I'm almost certain it's because women, not even just pooners, but straight-up cis hetero women, are the ones that by far make, and consume the most of it. At the least the written kind.

Furthermore, I don't care if it's less harmful than irl porn because it doesn't have actual victims in it. It's still reprehensible, and rotting people's brains, women's included, and you can't keep blaming just men for the pornification of society when women are also actively contributing to it.

 

[Your old Livejournal]

From personal experience I can say that while there's plenty of general drama in Japanese yaoi spaces too, it's much less deranged over there than in Western fandom spaces. In Japan you have your typical SAH mothers drawing some yaoi while their kids are at school. None of them brainwashed themselves into "dysphoria" or convinced themselves to poon out so they don't fetishise actual gay people. That's a western phenomenon coming from tumblr and imo in this case the Japanese's bad English proficiency serves as a safeguard for the Japanese girlies into yaoi.

Now, then take this to mean there aren't a million problems with Japanese yaoi. I've become extremely critical of the genre plus shipping as a whole in recent years, but I do think that it's the western, English language fandoms that have gone completely off the rail. From young Zoomers building their identity on a certain ship (that they need to be 'canon' and go around telling people to kill themselves if they dare to ship something else) to the 30+ spicy straight women writing the most disgusting dead dove content, western (yaoi) fandom is rotten and needs to be nuked. There's no saving it.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Is this what that Super Hoo Locket thing is? Also reminded me of those twins from Harry Potter. Years and years ago someone showed them art they made and their reactions were pure shock horror. I am 95% sure it was a picture of twincest.