Dead by Daylight and other Asymmetric Slasher Games - Discuss the games and the autistic/entitled communities around them

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Otz smokes crack:

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You heard him right. You can use strong perks on weak killers and win most of the time. Strong perks and add-ons will help you of course but it doesn't guarantee jack shit. Not even considering killers who don't have strong add-ons like Demo, Doctor, Ghostface, Deathslinger, Faggot, Twins, Nemesis, Trapper, and Wesker. Not that I think Wesker is weak but his add-ons are definitely not strong.

He seems self-aware of his MMR situation and how it benefits him. Later that stream he played a SWF in the Saw map with Cuntmerchant and got his shit pushed in. Then he just played survivor for the rest of the stream after that.
Otz is just annoying to me at this point especially when he plays at lower MMRs then says somethings good because he beat someone who's played the game way less than him.
 
Later that stream he played a SWF in the Saw map with Cuntmerchant and got his shit pushed in. Then he just played survivor for the rest of the stream after that.
Killer-sided map according to him. So noob skill issue for not taking advantage of how confusing the map layout is for that poor SWF team.
 
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I think they did something to the pip system. Had a match where I killed only two but got 4 hooks altogether and a few other sporadic downs. It was a SWF and Mother's Dwelling. Lost a pip there. 2nd match, I one-hooked 3 survivors, don't get pissy at me it was the Elm Street map and I feel 100% justified to do that in a horribly designed map created by obstinate retards. Lost another pip right there. Not that I care about the pips but I do like the BP reward on the 13th of the month when ranks are reset. Usually I de-pip if I only got 1 kill or -in one such example- a guy suicides on hook, the other two DC'd, and the last guy lucked out and found hatch.
Seems the same as it ever was. Once you get to Iri or maybe even Gold both those situations will depip you. I've depipped in Iri with a 3K before.

You really have to start playing like absolute cancer to grind to Iri I. I don't know what happened to their idea of giving you merciless if you got a 4K but that would make it more fun.
 
Seems the same as it ever was. Once you get to Iri or maybe even Gold both those situations will depip you. I've depipped in Iri with a 3K before.

You really have to start playing like absolute cancer to grind to Iri I. I don't know what happened to their idea of giving you merciless if you got a 4K but that would make it more fun.
No, I think it's worse. You have to play by the survivor rulebook and get at least 2 hooks on every survivor without camping (not unless another survivor is literally right next to the hook) and you need to play an M1 killer because of the Chaser emblem. I'm convinced the Chaser emblem fucks over killers who down with an M2 attack.
 
Killer-sided map according to him. So noob skill issue for not taking advantage of how confusing the map layout is for that poor SWF team.
It's usually the same with popular games. The top streamer tends to be someone who usually is at a pretty high level, but almost never top level. Top level is intimidating, high level makes the audience feel like "Oh yeah, I can do that." Many examples in many games over the years, of course, I'm sure everyone can think of a few.

Streaming as a whole is pozzed as fuck. It's too good a marketing tool to ignore and not curate. And simultaneously, it is too massified to not pick and choose those who rise to the top on the part of companies. There is just no way in fuck Otzdarva's 8 thousand viewers make as little noise as they do just thanks to the glory that is Slow Mode. 65-70% of Twitch's userbase are streamers trying to make it. There's hundreds of thousands of 1-0 viewer channels out there. No joke, many of these dudes are way more skillful than Otzdarva could ever hope to be.

In the end, it's almost always one guy who is harmless enough, advertiser friendly enough and average looking and acting enough that makes it and gets hailed as the lord and savior of a specific community, often for no particular reason, which is Otz's case here. Success seems arbitrary a lot of the time, which is why a lot of people keep toiling on that streaming wheel endlessly, hoping they can get lucky too.

Of course Otz is under a lot of scrutiny from better players, because his word carries more weight than anyone's. A lot of people resent this, because Otz is basically a combination Voice of The Scrub Legion/Corpo Shill who's ultimate objective is not the health of the game, but to keep the gravy train rolling as long as possible. Not helped by how he's constantly babied by Bhvr and put in lower MMRs where he can go on relentless seal clubbing sessions. Of course, this is the sort of thing Bhvr wants to make the game look like. It's all about the narrative. Gen grabs are fun. Simple mindgames are as well, when they work. High level DBD looks and feels like an absolute fucking mess. It's loop patiently around the pallet for a set number of laps until the survivor drops it, then the killer tries to get away with some bullshit like dropping chase or a mindgame and the survivor tries to counter it with flowcharts. Fuck up your threegen patrol even ONCE as killer and you're already dead, specially if they brought their bullshit "Don't care, just get genrushed" perks like Potential Energy or BNPs. Clip channels are also cherypicked to high heaven from the aforementioned sealclubbing sessions, and without context or deeper game knowledge, you'd think guys like Otz or JRM are god gamers, and while they are above average, they are certainly not that impressive. This makes gauging the reality of the game's balance impossible to most of the playerbase.

Case in point, his latest takes sound so retarded they might as well be disingenuous: The new maps are cancer for killers. Shelter Woods has a literal infinite window loop in the main tent. Temple of Purgation looks dumb as fuck with clashing green tones in a mostly grey, late winter forest. And as Bruno said, it's just super easy to break LOS now. But then again, I've seen people, people who play DBD every day, just walk up to Cuntmerchant's drones, tripping the wire, and just waiting there to disable the bot while getting exposed and revealed. I don't think most of the community is even at a level where they read tooltips, so they are just as likely to take Otzdarva's word as gospel. It's the same sort of PR and damage control League of Legends used to run. For that game, it was pretty effective. I'd say Killer mains in general do read and theorycraft more often, but Survivor mains are your everyday MOBA soloQ bot.

After that, you get Otz playing The Thot Merchant with his gifted by bhvr thot skin, and he wins a lot and brings attention to this (She's probably not that weak, you guys!) Then as soon as he loses one he fucks off from Killer Q until his Bhvr monkey can tank and lock his MMR so he can pick on scrubs endlessly again for the next stream. When most of the playerbase can't even be fucked to read a tooltip and cook up some basic-ass counterplay, this is probably gonna be pretty effective at swaying opinion. Meanwhile, the dude who's completely cracked the mistery to playing Blight and is able to do crazy 180-then-bounce flicks and get absolutely impossible hits everywhere is sitting around Youtube with 300 subscribers in virtual obscurity because he's just not camera friendly enough and prefers to make edgy mid 2000s AMV montages. For most games nowadays, high profile streaming is more about being marketable and positive than about being really good at the game. Of course, this doesn't apply to every single game out there, in fighting games 9 top streamers out of 10 are gonna be extremely good and the 10th is gonna be a surprisingly good woman... But when Yakuza's venerable developer Sega makes the call to throw in streamers and other celebs, they call wrestler Kenny Omega and Vtuber Nyanners, not neckbeard devilleon7 even though he is easily the best known Western Yakuza streamer, and they definitely are NOT ringing up any of the No Damage autismos. And that's when they're not getting some pornstars to feature.

TL;DR Otzdarva is something of a really high profile shill but his opinions have to be taken with a mountain of salt, primarily because he's clearly getting notes from corporate in what and what not to say, and DBD as a whole is just the right mix of busted, wonky and obscure enough that most of the true top tier stuff in the game, which is just borderline cheating, 99% of the community is never even going to know about, much less be able to apply.
 
TL;DR Otzdarva is something of a really high profile shill but his opinions have to be taken with a mountain of salt, primarily because he's clearly getting notes from corporate in what and what not to say, and DBD as a whole is just the right mix of busted, wonky and obscure enough that most of the true top tier stuff in the game, which is just borderline cheating, 99% of the community is never even going to know about, much less be able to apply.

Good post (I'm also high right now). The big problem is that not so much that he's a shill but the fact that he is the de-facto spokesman for the game and assholes parade his opinions* everywhere. Not to mention -like I mentioned earlier in this thread- that he's surrounded by faggots who run the social media for the game so his takes can never be openly questioned. It's bullshit like this where I would applaud the day Twitch and streaming for profit just goes the fuck away. It would suck for people who are legitimately entertaining, aren't shills, and decent human beings as few as they are but it's one of those this has to be done situations. Otz makes $60K a month just from Twitch. He'll be fine if everything gets shut down.

*Obviously not HIS opinion but Behavior's.

Is there a reason why everyone has been playing Freddy? I've faced like 4. Was he finally improved in some way?
Belated answer: the game has been forcing Freddy daily's on me pretty consistently for the last week or so. I don't know why but it seems to affect others.
 
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No, I think it's worse. You have to play by the survivor rulebook and get at least 2 hooks on every survivor without camping (not unless another survivor is literally right next to the hook) and you need to play an M1 killer because of the Chaser emblem. I'm convinced the Chaser emblem fucks over killers who down with an M2 attack.
The anti-camping stuff barely even matters in terms of points for the Chaser emblem. It's -7.5 points per second after 10 seconds hanging around the hooked survivor. Meanwhile you get 90 points per second for a chase that lasts <15 seconds. You can just Scooby Doo the last survivor alive if you're worried about it.

Malicious is the one that's a problem. 1 point for a hit, 2 points for a survivor entering another hook state, -1 if they wiggle out, -1 if they heal.

You need 36 points for iri. If you're Leatherface and use M2 to down everyone you cannot get Malicious iri if anyone heals or DCs or suicides on hook.

I use Legion/Doctor/never-stalk Ghostface for my iri pushes since you need those hits. I don't know why BHVR doesn't just rebalance all of this shit but I guess they don't really care.
 
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I'm starting to believe the rumor that a hacker unearthed where if you're doing well as killer that it sends you to the worst possible map for killer because this POS sent me to the Elm Street map three times tonight. I rarely ever get that terrible map.

3. Fucking. Times. All in the span of about 2 hours (I'm not a true no-lifer, honest). And just to clarify, survivors didn't have offerings either. God damn do I hate the Elm Street and not just because it's so terribly designed but it's a huge missed opportunity. They should have made the map a giant boiler room which would be way more appropriate for Freddy but they cheaped out and rushed it.
 
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Talking of Ortz he uploaded this on Reddit yesterday:
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Also sometimes I wish consoles had after game chat..:
 
They should have made the map a giant boiler room which would be way more appropriate for Freddy but they cheaped out and rushed it.
Springwood on release was even called a reskinned Haddonfield due to how reused the houses looked.

It really needs to be deleted and whatever cocksucker made mandatory breakable walls also needs to be deleted in minecraft.
 
I'm starting to believe the rumor that a hacker unearthed where if you're doing well as killer that it sends you to the worst possible map for killer because this POS sent me to the Elm Street map three times tonight. I rarely ever get that terrible map.

3. Fucking. Times. All in the span of about 2 hours (I'm not a true no-lifer, honest). And just to clarify, survivors didn't have offerings either. God damn do I hate the Elm Street and not just because it's so terribly designed but it's a huge missed opportunity. They should have made the map a giant boiler room which would be way more appropriate for Freddy but they cheaped out and rushed it.
I got sent to Eyrie of Crows 3 times in a row last night so this repeat map prevention shit they're doing doesn't even work.
It's such a shame we got remake Freddy and such a shitty map a lot of the early licenses got fucked like bubba not even getting a map or survivor.
 
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I got sent to Eyrie of Crows 3 times in a row last night so this repeat map prevention shit they're doing doesn't even work.
It's such a shame we got remake Freddy and such a shitty map a lot of the early licenses got fucked like bubba not even getting a map or survivor.
They're repeat map prevention bullshit only prevents you from getting the same map a 2nd time in a row... I wouldn't be surprised if that was bugged as well.

Leatherface happened because they had a very small window to release him due to some BS, I honestly don't know what was going on, where a new movie was out (confusingly titled Leatherface) and they needed to get him out to coincide with the release of the movie. That's why he was so rushed and blatantly re-used Hillbilly add-ons with the same images and description.
 
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Talking of Ortz he uploaded this on Reddit yesterday:
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I try not to go out of my way and just be a contrarian cunt when it comes to this man but there's some very questionable choices here:

I don't know why he thinks Spark Plug and Primer Bulb are good on Leatherface. They're worthless.

Engineer Fang is not a top tier add-on for Pinhead.... Ranged injures is not top tier according to this nigger. Instead he places the glass lens and impaling wire in front of it. Glass Lens is "okay" and """"""""can""""""" help you but it depends on the loop. Impaling Wire can also be good but there's a very good chance that survivors dodge the additional chains. Original Pain is top tier just because it now officially counters Dead Hard, Off the Record and Borrowed Time.

Places Mint Rag at the bottom for Hag which is bizarre. Mint Rag can be very powerful and excels at camping. It's even better with Make Your Choice and is still effective despite the scream change.

Aside from the Iridescent I'm sure there's stronger add-ons for Legion rather than just a brown.

I can't say I agree with his Wesker choices either. The Iridescent is just "okay" like, it will make them go to a supply kit at the start of the round and get you about 30 seconds of delay. But that's it. In my experience using this add-on, you never get to insta-down a guy. It's either they're just about to get fully infected and you down them before that happens or all of them just vax up. The Egg and the Brown that increases movement speed when prepping the lunge are clearly better but the green add-on that increases infection rate is very good but what is stronger? Add-ons that help you land hits like the Egg and the Brown add-on or add-ons that help you only after you've gotten a hit?

The dress add-ons are trash for Freddy.

Combat Straps being top tier on Pig just made me lol. The straps are good but the dash attack is something you rarely ever use. The only time you use it is when you get them at a loop, mind game them, and guess what? They can still Dead Hard that shit. The rest of the add-ons are clearly better.

I can understand saying that the Iridescent on Trapper that automatically re-opens traps is bad because the add-on has been bugged for so long now where it will randomly not work on traps in certain spots and on maps. But the other Iridescent that injures when they disable is clearly top tier. It should be obvious.
 
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Gentlemen and trannies, presenting the next cancer survivor meta:


Let's appalaude Otz for showing this bullshit off in the pursuit of clickbait so cancer SWF squads can run wild. And let's face it; IF Behavior nerfs the god damn perk (big fucking IF as usual) it'll take them anywhere from 1-3 months or more to actually do it.

Edit: I just thought of this but what if the ultimate point of this video was to upsell buying the survivors of a deeply unpopular chapter for broken af meta perks? I wouldn't put it past Behavior.

I just find it so interesting that they're too cautious when releasing killer perks and they make sure to nerf them before release but survivor fuckery just gets pushed through without a 2nd thought as to how it can be abused. They did this with original Metal of Man, they did it with Soul Guard, they did it with a random buff to Buckle Up (who demanded this perk get buffed?) and they did it again.

Killers are simply not allowed to have strong perks not unless it's tied to a licensed character.

2nd edit: I just wanted to get a daily out of the way. I play Killer for the first time tonight. Very first match is Badham. Fucking kill me now. I still got 3K because I played against literal retards that couldn't even body block worth a god damn. I'm done for this evening. I've had enough of Badham. I'm done playing trash maps made by retards.
 
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You heard him right. You can use strong perks on weak killers and win most of the time. Strong perks and add-ons will help you of course but it doesn't guarantee jack shit. Not even considering killers who don't have strong add-ons like Demo, Doctor, Ghostface, Deathslinger, Faggot, Twins, Nemesis, Trapper, and Wesker. Not that I think Wesker is weak but his add-ons are definitely not strong.
If I ever make an asymmetrical horror game I'm going out of my way to call Otz a fag and banning him.
Anytime I try a new killer and got fuck all perks or a less than perfect loadout I will inevitably go against a squad of turbo sweats who have every second chance perk in existence and know each layout like the back of their hands. I am astounded that the bonus bloodpoints are always for playing survivor considering how much of a crapshot playing killer is, how do people manage to enjoy this game as a killer?
 
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If I ever make an asymmetrical horror game I'm going out of my way to call Otz a fag and banning him.
Anytime I try a new killer and got fuck all perks or a less than perfect loadout I will inevitably go against a squad of turbo sweats who have every second chance perk in existence and know each layout like the back of their hands. I am astounded that the bonus bloodpoints are always for playing survivor considering how much of a crapshot playing killer is, how do people manage to enjoy this game as a killer?
Back in the day, videogames were cheap. Intentionally unfair for a reason. To get your money. This would lead to discovery of new strategies, damage boosting in megaman, the 99 lives with a turtle in Mario and playing casino night zone until you had max lives. We grew up where games actively hated you, so to beat the game, you'd exploit anything.

Dead by daylight is the same way. Devs actively despise the killer main. The killer main is the balls on the dick. As a killer main, you must actively exploit ANYTHING to have fun, and sometimes, it works.
 
>Mostly Negative rating on Steam for the DLC
>Currently the lowest rated DLC, even lower than the Hellraiser NFT debacle

I know it's early and the reviews might shift, but jeez. You just keep hitting those home runs, Behaviour!
Is it? Shows as mixed to me, weird thing is I went to check the previous DLC since I could swear it had a "mostly negative" rating but now it's up to mixed? I'll be honest, I haven't paid a lot of attention after wesker but seems that with the latest two chapters they made the same design mistake: A killer who can make the game drag on.
Back in the day, videogames were cheap. Intentionally unfair for a reason. To get your money. This would lead to discovery of new strategies, damage boosting in megaman, the 99 lives with a turtle in Mario and playing casino night zone until you had max lives. We grew up where games actively hated you, so to beat the game, you'd exploit anything.

Dead by daylight is the same way. Devs actively despise the killer main. The killer main is the balls on the dick. As a killer main, you must actively exploit ANYTHING to have fun, and sometimes, it works.
See, one of my problems with that is how they actively hinder killer. In 2016 I could place bear traps and hag traps pretty damn close to a hooked survivor, I saw nothing wrong with that since a survivor could simply disable the traps or approach carefully, there IS counter play to the killer powers, yet seven years later I cannot place a drone as a the skull merchant and I cannot teleport to a nearby locker as the Dreg because... camping is bad ok don't do it please we actively try to STOP you from it despite the fact survivors could just go work on gens while you camp. it is such a toothless design, why is it so hard to let killers play the way they fucking want, why the heavy bias towards the survivors? yeah for every 4 survivors players there's 1 killer player but come the fuck on, HOW are people still playing killers? years ago things got so bad that survivor queues were over five minutes long and so Behavior was forced to throw killers a bone, yet now anyone who plays killer is content to have their balls stomped repeatedly?
 
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