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See also the McDonald's over the Will Rogers toll road.
I've seen something similar with European rest areas on highways, most I remember as a kid were in Italy. They had a single building extending across the highway with parking lots and entrances on each side for the different directions of travel.
 
Thank you for the replies. I had my suspicions but I was too unsure to debate him.

I said I believe there can be a middle road where you can have both cars and rails. He said then that roads are so expensive to maintain and that only those that drive the car need to pay taxes (those rich) to maintain roads. And he said public transportation should mostly be used and bicycles especially electric ones are better resources and are lighter. Praised also Amsterdam (Didn't confront him on that, but I believe it is an touristic city).

I told him I am a cyclist in my free time and I told him it is tiring to use a bicycle and an electric bike is expensive and you are limited in what you can carry. Was surprised to see he didn't know how to use bicycle despite glorifying them...
 
You know, I just had a thought.

For the same people who constantly go on about “our democracy” and shit, the Urbanist mindset is very anti-democratic. At least in the U.S. and Canada, the majority of the people clearly enjoy using cars and having the infrastructure dedicated to automobiles makes logical, democratic sense. Urbanists want to force or coerce people into using different, less popular forms of transportation (i.e. things the people don’t like) because of some supposed benefit, which seems kinda “fashy” to me tbh.
 
I've seen something similar with European rest areas on highways, most I remember as a kid were in Italy. They had a single building extending across the highway with parking lots and entrances on each side for the different directions of travel.
There are several of those in the Chicago area (they call them "Travel Oases"):
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More info:
tollwayoases.com (archive)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Tollway_oasis (archive)
 

Oh cool, I remember stopping at one of these on a family road trip as a kid once. I forget what state it was in but it was like a central area with restaurants and bathrooms, and a parking lot on each side of the highway so you could walk across a bridge over the highway to get to them. Didn't matter which direction you were coming from.

The bridge was cool. It's a really weird feeling standing there watching a semi truck barreling directly towards you and passing right under your feet at 60mph.
 
Thank you for the replies. I had my suspicions but I was too unsure to debate him.

I said I believe there can be a middle road where you can have both cars and rails. He said then that roads are so expensive to maintain and that only those that drive the car need to pay taxes (those rich) to maintain roads. And he said public transportation should mostly be used and bicycles especially electric ones are better resources and are lighter. Praised also Amsterdam (Didn't confront him on that, but I believe it is an touristic city).

I told him I am a cyclist in my free time and I told him it is tiring to use a bicycle and an electric bike is expensive and you are limited in what you can carry. Was surprised to see he didn't know how to use bicycle despite glorifying them...
I think rails and public transport are great. But I'd still rather take a car most places and public transport in America is full of niggers and retards. I drive 20 minutes to and from work every day and if i took public transport it'd probably be closer to an hour, despite my area having good public transport compared to most of the US.

The US should 100% try to build high speed rail between large cities, but we've got bigger problems and planes work just fine for the most part.
 
I think rails and public transport are great. But I'd still rather take a car most places and public transport in America is full of niggers and retards
I agree. It's not just the US either, the entire world is flooded with retards and human cases from social centers; Also they love how the public transport system is now, imagine if all of the sudden the already very full trams, trains, autobus, and whatnot were flooded with an even bigger influx. I'm sure those idiots wouldn't be able to even board anything because they would be pushed everywhere.
 
I watched this hyper-partisan video by City Nerd


He accuses Republicans of packing the supreme court, complains about Christian fundamentalism, and yet I bet he never even read Dobbs or Rie for that matter.

He then goes on to recommend Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Philipedlphia, among other places.

Unlike many here, I actually agree with these guys about urban planning. I hate suburban sprawl and it is just one of the things I hate about the United. This effeminate faggot--a literal, butt sex, cock-sucking faggot--would not do well in the midst of the black undertow .... It is so frustrating because I agree with much of what he says but he is too taken with far-leftist orrhodoxies to be redeemable.
 
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You know, I just had a thought.

For the same people who constantly go on about “our democracy” and shit, the Urbanist mindset is very anti-democratic. At least in the U.S. and Canada, the majority of the people clearly enjoy using cars and having the infrastructure dedicated to automobiles makes logical, democratic sense. Urbanists want to force or coerce people into using different, less popular forms of transportation (i.e. things the people don’t like) because of some supposed benefit, which seems kinda “fashy” to me tbh.
Yeah, it's a bit of a language failure. "our democracy" means letting in more brown people and sodomizing children. Oh, and communism.

I fucking love that they keep using japan as their mecca for what they see as perfect transportation, and yet demonize us for not wanting to board with homeless people. It kind of exposes the big paradox with what they want.

They want these highly communal spaces with tons of money poured in, but without vetting the people that enter those places and keep out the homeless, mentally unstable, etc.

Japan's train system works because it is one of the most collectivist, homogenous, and discriminatory societies to ever exist. A country where describing someone as "a foreign looking person" is a perfectly good way of picking someone out of a crowd. Do you think that on those massively packed subway systems, the homeless are just allowed to lay down all their shit, or they just let on the random tweaker that seems to have a knife in his pocket?

It's in the whole third spaces conversation they have too. You know where I go as a "third space?" the park. I went there as a go to spot my entire childhood. But the thing is, I was in an affluent neighborhood where a lot of people knew each other. I knew I was gonna be able to go there and there wasn't going to be trash, tents, or used heroin needles.

Third spaces are enforced by police and cops, which, ironically, these people can't fucking stand.
 
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I know it's footage from a Ford commercial, but it's still so 80s it reminds me of this old Bob Seger song that was in all of Chevy's 80s and 90s commercials.
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You think that song triggers PTSD flashbacks for them, complete with thousand-mile-stare, as Bob Seger's voice and images of trucks pulling other trucks over mountains play over and over again in their heads? NGL, that'd be kinda funny.

Been away from the site for a hot minute. Glad to see these tards haven't changed. He gets winded actually riding a bike that isn't a glorified motorized scooter. So much for the bicycle being the superior method of travel for these redditors. :story:
In the before times, when someone would post to an online discussion complaining that riding a bike made them winded, and asked what parts they should upgrade on the bike so they don't get winded anymore, they would be told to, "upgrade the motor." Most kiwis here should hopefully recognize that as the subtle insult it is, but for you retards in the back, the winded cyclist in this scenario is being compared to Fatrick.

Sadly, with as cheap and readily available as electric bikes, conversion kits, and DIY parts are now, a fatass receiving the suggestion to "upgrade the motor" would just as likely respond by asking which electrical conversion kit he should buy.

I can see this faggot never leaves his bugpod. If he ever actually did, he'd know that sometimes other humans on the road/walk/path/trail/etc do something phenomenally stupid that creates a dangerous situation, and the safest thing to do for all involved is for you to GTFO. Being able to suddenly accelerate, and accelerate hard, can be critical to life and safety.

THEY'VE FOUND THE THREAD!!!!
Hello, r/fuckcars! You are all retarded faggots, and I am embarrassed to have ever benefited from public transit because of you. In fact, it is a wonder I was was ever able to benefit from public transit at all, with transit "advocates" like you in the word. I will still use my feet, my bicycle, the bus, and the trains to get around my city instead of my car, when those other modes of travel are appropriate for my goals and the current travel conditions. But faggots like you, who only ever whine about how evil cars are, instead of doing anything to improve other modes for other people, or worse, work against something which improves a non-car mode because it doesn't make things worse for cars -- you are a major contributor to why public transit tends to suck in the areas where it even makes sense to try at all. You are your own worst enemies, and enemies of anyone who would like not-car modes to suck less.

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Earth Liberation Front (ELF) arson attack on housing in Washington state.
Okay, if I wasn't MATI before, I'm definitely MATI now. If anyone perished as a consequence of that fire, may their vengeful shades haunt every r/fuckcars poster who endorsed it.

See, this is a perfect example of why the r/fuckcars faggots are useless. So we have a problem: roads getting clogged up by parents idling in their cars as they wait to drop off their kids at school. I've had to deal with that before, and he's right, it sucks. But what is his solution? Something like advocating for bicycle ridership? Something that would get the kids a bit of exercise and spare the parents the time and gas spent waiting in an idling car? Something that might give kids some experience with not-car modes of travel being useful? No, don't be silly. The solution is to ban private schools, because everyone knows that only private schools have the line-of-cars problem, and lack the one true solution: a bus program.

Hey retard, public schools have the line-of-cars problem too, because not everyone in a district is eligible for bus service. And many private schools also have their own bus programs for the same reason public schools do: Not every student who attends lives one block over.

Anyone who has ever grown produce would understand the challenges in keeping something as a tomato plant alive. Now imagine how farmers struggle growing fields of food to feed the populace at large. If urban farming was more efficient than the flat country you'd have countries like China doing it in such a massive scale. However, you don't see that. In North Korea, a country dominated by mountainous terrains, has made farming difficult and contributed to the ongoing famine there.
It's a recurring stupidity in the r/fuckcars crowd. You can tell they've never tried to grow so so much as a potted tomato plant on an apartment balcony. Or if they had success with that, that they're assuming that their success wil scale to all crops, in all climates and seasons. In all fairness, efficient, high-intensity LED lighting has made it more feasible to grow some food crops indoors. But it really only works well for the more expensive vegetables like tomatoes and peppers that you can sell for more than what you spent running those LED grow lamps. Staple crops that need to stay cheap if you want to avoid famine, crops like wheat, maize, barley, beans, and rice, take up far too much space to attempt to grow in a vertical greenhouse with the sunlight supplemented by LEDs.

/n/ is also a good place to find rampant stupidity. I feel like I don't need to explain why this is dumb (thread / archive) but I can already hear @WelperHelper99's blood start to boil.
It was posted on /r/fuckcars a few days ago:
This retardation again? What's funny about this one, is you can tell that the OP isn't shitposting, he really thinks both really do have equivalent capacity. What's even funnier is that he's too retarded for even r/fuckcars, and they're calling him out on his stupidity.

A "bike" can carry 500 kg (1102 lbs, or half a ton):
You know what? I'm in a autistic mood. I'm gonna look closer at this and sperg about why it is retarded.

The "bike" in question is a Nanuk Megaliner from CargoCycle. Empty weight of 250kg , max payload of 500kg, top speed of 25km/h, or 550 lbs, 1100 lbs, and 15mph in Freedom Units. Fully loaded that's 750kg or about 1650 lbs the rider has to move in addition to his own weight. Beyond that, there's not much in the way of specs listed on the website that I can find, but they do have some pictures one can analyze. Links, along with local and remote archives are in the spoiler.

First, lets start with the things about this "bike" that aren't completely retarded. The frame is clearly ruggedly built to actually carry 500kg without taking damage. The wheels are on the wider end of the typical range for bicycles, allowing them to handle heavier loads without getting constant pinch flats. It is a two-part, articulated vehicle, with the pivot above the rear axle of the front part. The rear section is slung low to the ground. If this reminds you of goose-neck and fifth-wheel trailers, or OTR trucks, you are correct. This design is used in goose-necks and OTR trucks because it is a very stable way of handling large loads relative to the weight of the tow vehicle. Make note of that fact, we're going to come back to it.

The brakes, I'm less enthusiastic about. They are disc brakes instead of rim calipers, thank fucking god, and they're again on the larger end of the range you'll see for bike wheels. The calipers had better be hydraulicly actuated and not cable-actuated, or this build will be even more retarded than I think it is. There is, however, one glaring error: the lack of any brakes on the front wheel. In any braking situation, momentum tries to keep the vehicle moving, and the frontmost axle takes a major part of the braking load. In fairness, when you have a trailer that's heavy relative to the tow vehicle, you want siginficant braking on the rear axles of both the trailer and the tow vehicle to reduce the braking load at the frontmost axle. Even then, every car and truck on the road has its most powerful brakes on the frontmost axle for a reason. This design is giving up braking ability by not even having a dinky little rim caliper on that front wheel.

Moving onto the drivetrain. They call this a "bike", but take a close look at the pictures, at the bottom of the frame, directly below the seat, where the pedal chain seems to end at something. That's an electric assist motor. This is a common setup you'll see on the "pedicabs" you might see in your own city's downtown bar district on a Friday or Saturday night. This explains why this thing supposedly can get up to 15mph. A regualr human can put out 100-150W of continuous pedal power over the course of an hour, with that droping down to 70-75W over the longer term of an 8 hour work day. Even elite Tour de France riders are only going to be able to do a continuous 250-350W over longer periods. That might get you up to 15 mph on a regular bicycle. That isn't going to get you up to 15mph in this heavy beast without electric assist, and you sure as shit aren't going that fast with a full 500kg load. If they wanted to make this thing more useful, they'd up the electric power and gearing to make it capable of something like 25mph or 40kph (or any speed at all up a grade). But if they did that, for fuck sakes, upgrade the damn brakes.

I said we'd come back to the truck-like construction of this. This is very truck-like for a so-called bicycle. In fact, its not even really a bicycle at all, but more of a pedal-assisted electric microtruck. In their zeal to make a bike that can do what a truck does, the've gone and reinvented a truck. I suppose this is a trans-bicycle, of sorts? If we wanted to be progressive and understanding, we'd respect its pronouns, pretend this little truck is a true and honest bicycle, and affirm how stunning and brave it is to carry cargo that carbrains think an F-350 is needed for. But this is the Kiwifarms, where we point and laugh at the absurd. If the Kiwi Farms were a bike forum, this thing would be getting mocked in that forum's equivalent of The Stinkditch.

Honestly, this is very, very funny to me. I'm not even mad; with some changes to the power assist and brakes, I think this could be useful in some situations. But consider what's happened here. r/fuckcars claims you can move cargo with a bike. A reasonable person points out that a bike is limited in how much it can safely carry, maybe 100lbs with judicious use of a backpack and panniers. r/fuckcars goes 'Nuh uh!", and moves the goalposts to claim that the this little electric microtruck can do what a pickup truck can. They totally fail to understand that it is useful as a truck because it fucking is a truck, and not much of a bicycle anymore.

Moving the goalposts that far and that fast required a much more powerful truck than this thing. I suspect they stole borrowed @WelperHelper99's F-150 under the cover of night to do so.
 
I usually think the cameras are dumb but in a big car it makes parking much easier. Not sure if it's mandatory yet but collision avoidance systems detect people walking nearby and seem to be universal on new cars.

Only way you would ever need to worry about it is someone running in front of your car going at speed which... is bad no matter the car?
 
Only way you would ever need to worry about it is someone running in front of your car going at speed which... is bad no matter the car?
Remember the "trucks are bad" stuff comes from the idea of lining up multiple kids in front of trucks, often lying down.

This ignores trains and buses of course which have the same disadvantages.
 
Remember the "trucks are bad" stuff comes from the idea of lining up multiple kids in front of trucks, often lying down.

This ignores trains and buses of course which have the same disadvantages.
The 'trucks are bad' stuff comes from white 'conservative' men driving pickup trucks, nothing else. All of their arguments apply even better to other vehicles, but for some reason those vehicles are exempt from criticism. It's another tiresome red team/blue team thing.
 
ee, this is a perfect example of why the r/fuckcars faggots are useless. So we have a problem: roads getting clogged up by parents idling in their cars as they wait to drop off their kids at school. I've had to deal with that before, and he's right, it sucks. But what is his solution? Something like advocating for bicycle ridership? Something that would get the kids a bit of exercise and spare the parents the time and gas spent waiting in an idling car? Something that might give kids some experience with not-car modes of travel being useful? No, don't be silly. The solution is to ban private schools, because everyone knows that only private schools have the line-of-cars problem, and lack the one true solution: a bus program.

Hey retard, public schools have the line-of-cars problem too, because not everyone in a district is eligible for bus service. And many private schools also have their own bus programs for the same reason public schools do: Not every student who attends lives one block over
Also even in areas where kids normally go to school by themselves have days when parents drop and/or pick kids by car. Usually this is because of bad weather but it can also a special program day that requires more stuff.

When you have tons of people going to a same place at the same time there just is going to be high traffic one way or another. I know to avoid schools when kids get out because driving there is scary regardless of if there are parents with their cars. Quite frankly I prefer cars because they are easier to see and predict than something like a boy suddenly diving in front of me to pick up candy on a road (actually happened last month but nobody got hurt beyond me calling the kid out on being a moron in front of his friends).
 
When you have tons of people going to a same place at the same time there just is going to be high traffic one way or another.
If you really wanted to reduce the problem, you'd have staggered-start for schools, which means the times people are dropping kids off is elongated, but the density is reduced.

All this shit comes down to their given that high density is desirable and mandatory, instead of realizing that high density is fucking annoying and everyone hates it. They're completely backwards because their solution is the problem. Fuck density. it's just bad.
 
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