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The Kaminoans have technically kept genetically deformed clones before but under the premise that they were specialized or useful in the field.
isn't that a post-legends creation so they can introduce the bad batch?
Master of Orion 2 (a 1996 "4X" game) has multiple clear references to Star Wars, and maybe more obscure ones.
Would you consider the Antarans a reference to the Vong? I know interdimensional freaks are practically a standard sci-fi trope themselves but its not more of a stretch than stuff like a "galactic republic" also there are plenty of star trek refernces too, tritanium being a big one, and you'll be seeing it more often than the doom star or stellar converter because its a mid-level tech vs those two being end game, same with Androids being near the end of the tech tree. phasers and a bunch of other sci-fi refernces pop up in Moo 2.

You might have also found one of the only other people that still remembers that game. Fun fact did you know a Russian scifi author has two books based on that universe? This was my first 4x game and i played it a lot instead of going to parties as a teenager. It was simple enough that my young mind could wrap my head around it and the game could be short enough that you could go from pre-warp to doom star in an hour, the game even penalized you for going over 500 turns right? IIRC it was easy to cheese the game in a lot of ways. and non-space combat was practically a meme too, it was practically an instant win if you made a custom race, especially if the custom race you make takes over the "spy" race.
Imagine if Disney actually had the balls to portray large battles in the New Republic era.
probably not, people already complained about the space battle in Rogue one being a mess and that was the smallest battle.
ll. The reference of things people know is the opposite of how Star Wars felt like a big lived-in universe.
ironically enough the RLM figured out why this is when complaining about it in Star Trek, because its not made by fans or even people familiar with the material they go with easy references any idiot (woman) would know, thats why everything revolves around Tattooine and a handful of characters. RLM proved this in one of their Picard videos by asking Jay random questions and not only did Jay get them wrong, he gave the same wrong answers that apparently the writers did when asked stuff like "who was data's best friend on TNG"

Its like how Ten Forward went from an obvious name to anyone that has any knowledge of military boats or sense of logic to requiring its own shitty explanation. if fans made decisions at Disney we'd be getting references to characters that show up for one mission in a star wars game 30 years ago, The same way Galaxy at war post-endor mod includes every planet in the EU at that point and every single fucking imperial admiral and all 10 super star destroyers. Along with a lot of other crazy shit.
The High Ground gets meme'd on a lot but it truly was a gift from the Force that allowed Obi-Wan to exploit Anakin's irrational hatred against himself.
not only that, the only reason Obi-wan knew it was a losing move is because he already did it before and therefore knew the strategy and how to counter it. a literal call-back rhyme.
The Mariachi Triology wasn't even all that good it was more for the first two installments impressive what he was able to make with the budget he was given. You remove that novelty and he's just making abstract shit.
he was always more of a meme, i guess the best way to put it is that Quintin Tarrentino had a posse of hanger ons around him like Joe Rogan did, only instead of shitty comedians it was shitty directors. That and them all coming up and being Weinstein's boys means they had reasons to hang out together. Eli Roth was basically the answer to the question "what if RoRo didn't get into kids films and green screen bullshit" and the answer is he would have been found out to be a shitty director a lot quicker.

Like you said people were more impressed at how good it was given the budget than them being good films. In another or even the modern era RoRo would have just been forced to do shitty indie films and keep knocking them out of the park forever instead of failing at big budget films.
but with leadership like this, I expect proper Star Wars quality.
i defend it by assuming there were a lot of constraints and notes. Obviously if this series came out in 2004 with Lucas still at the helm he would have let everyone get nuts. but instead its a disney product.
 
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If you are wanting to get into reading Star Wars books do yourself a favor, stay far away from anything with the Disney logo on it and stick with the classics. It's The Expanded Universe or nothing.
The Alan Dean Foster books are pretty competent.
Too bad Disney shafted the guy hard with the royalties and is now dying of cancer. So please pirate them.

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/19/21578621/disney-alan-dean-foster-royalties-copyright-law
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This is the thing that created the troontrooper by the way.
Self inserts were considered bad tumlr writing that the collective we laughed at... Now is empowering I guess.
 
The funniest part about "Sister" is that the Kaminoans as presented would not have tolerated this. Upon seeing a clone with weird in-born brain issues as a fetus, they would have flushed it so quickly, since they have not been depicted as anything but the most cold hearted eugenicists from the start, and being a troon is not according to their designs.

The Kaminoans would at most keep this thing in the facilities, probably janitorial service. They have shown they can open exceptions to "abnormal" clone troopers if they are still exceeding but one as mentally fucked as thinking he is a girl? That thing is either dead or would never get close to a laser rifle in its life.

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Something tells me the people coming up with these dont know the first thing about the lore around the clone troopers, mostly that they are cool looking bad ass soldiers. They dont know/care that the Kaminoans wouldnt go along with this, the lore is secondary at best.

They hate us, dont forget that.
 
I just wanna add that I hate browse the absolute insanity that is the clone fandom on tumblr, which could have it's own thread for how absolutely unhinged that shit is, and when this character first came out in the book he originates from one of the super assholes in the fandom was losing their shit over the fact that he's got cornrows.
Because only blacks have cornrows or dreadlocks or weaves and anyone else using them is guilty of cultural appropriation, ignoring, of course, the fact that cultures have always traded ideas about fashion.
 
Something tells me the people coming up with these dont know the first thing about the lore around the clone troopers, mostly that they are cool looking bad ass soldiers. They dont know/care that the Kaminoans wouldnt go along with this, the lore is secondary at best.
Of course. Most of these people give off "daddy's special girl/boy" vibes and don't like it that they're being told what is and isn't canon. So they wiped the canon and made a new one. But they can't even abide by that, as evidenced with them fucking with Kanan's backstory and the events of the Ahsoka novel.

They hate us, dont forget that.
They're not the nerds who got stuffed into lockers for loving nerd shit, they're the popular kids who saw the nerds as pieces of shit beneath their notice. Pissing on nerd shit is just the usual for them. At this point, they're more angry at the fact that we don't say their piss tastes like rainbows.
 
Of course. Most of these people give off "daddy's special girl/boy" vibes and don't like it that they're being told what is and isn't canon. So they wiped the canon and made a new one. But they can't even abide by that, as evidenced with them fucking with Kanan's backstory and the events of the Ahsoka novel.

This is overarching in a lot of media properties but truly. The people in these positions don't have any passion for the actual base thing they're dealing with and it shows in their work. I don't know what caused such a huge paradigm shift in the hiring of people, I suppose most of it is that people who have no passion for a project beyond it being a paycheck are much cheaper than people with knowledge and care. In many cases it seems the hardline nerds have been swapped for people whose fandom is their sexuality and gender. The Jan Duursema and John Ostrander's seem to have bled out. The old EU's version of personal insert was mostly borrowing an image of a person but the characters developed into wholly their own people- like Quinlan Vos being pulled from a background extra with some additions of one of Jan Durrsema's friends- in looks only.

It's sad really because I don't think the people involved in this understand why a canon with as little mistakes as possible is so important from a business perspective. The overarching storyline is what makes your dedicated fans and what turns them into your customers. The anal detail of your narrative and the lore and it's connectivity is what gets people involved and devoted to your silly space opera. You will always have those who're are just passing through a fandom and have only a vague interest and surface level understanding in it but the ones who stay and truly support it are the very people who would care about broken timelines, disruptions to how a character is portrayed, etc. Some genderqueer dangerhair posting about the anti-blackness of cancelling the acolyte on X is not the person dropping 10 Grand on a life size Vader.

But they're hiring the people posting about the anti-blackness and labelling the the ones who'd buy the life-size Vader right wing Nazis.
 
The troon clone trooper has appeared in books and comics before already so it's not a new character, I think it appeared in the same story that established that Obi Wan is gay in the Disney timeline.
hahaha...wait...what!?!?

Obi Wan is now gay...I guess I shouldnt be surprised. Why hasnt it not yet been revealed that Luke and Leia are both trans and Vader is really their mother?
 
Cloak of Deception, Outbound Flight and Labyrinth of Evil deserve a recommendation too.

I enjoyed Shatterpoint as well.
Shatterpoint is so good, that book single handedly made me go from hating Mace Windu to really liking him and understanding him more after reading it.

Cloak of Deception is another personal favorite of mine, it always drove me nuts that Cloak of Deception is the real Episode 1 of the prequels and Phantom Menace is Eposode 2. Its not like the stuff in CoD is optional, it's mandatory reading to understand the story of Phantom Menace. Every complaint people have about the story in Phantom Menace not making sense is explained perfectly clear in CoD and improves PM big time. I'll never understand how George Lucas expected PM to go over well with viewers WHEN THE FIRST CHAPTER OF THE STORY IS MISSING.

Things like this is why I legitimately think the EU novels are better than the movies ever could be. The story the prequels were trying to tell is WAY too large for just three 2 hour movies, the EU has the complete prequel story in 14 novels (not young adult crap, these are big boy books) and about 30 issues of comics (Star Wars Republic series, the other earlier issues of this series were mainly side stories and not important to the overall main prequel story.) That's so much more time for the writers to stretch their legs in the universe, take their time and really tell the prequels story the way it should be told.


I also have to throw Coruscant Nights out there, great trilogy of books. I like that Cal Cestus (I think that's his name, I don't care to know much about Disney shit) from the Fallen Jedi games or whatever is essentially just a more boring and much less compelling Disney version of Jax Pavan from Coruscant Nights.

And Shadows of the Empire, I have a lot of nostalgia for that book. And as for comics, Crimson Empire is a masterpiece and if anyone reading this hasn't read it, you need to now. Make sure to read all 6 issues in one sitting. It should have been an animated movie in the 90s, would have been bad ass and would have sold so many VHS tapes.
 
Cloak of Deception is another personal favorite of mine, it always drove me nuts that Cloak of Deception is the real Episode 1 of the prequels and Phantom Menace is Eposode 2. Its not like the stuff in CoD is optional, it's mandatory reading to understand the story of Phantom Menace. Every complaint people have about the story in Phantom Menace not making sense is explained perfectly clear in CoD and improves PM big time. I'll never understand how George Lucas expected PM to go over well with viewers WHEN THE FIRST CHAPTER OF THE STORY IS MISSING.
Cloak of Deception is great but it's also been made kind of redundant by Darth Plagueis, since it basically takes place in the background of the last third of that book. Not that I wouldn't recommend it, but it's not still required reading for the EU/Prequels experience.

I also have to throw Coruscant Nights out there, great trilogy of books. I like that Cal Cestus (I think that's his name, I don't care to know much about Disney shit) from the Fallen Jedi games or whatever is essentially just a more boring and much less compelling Disney version of Jax Pavan from Coruscant Nights.
Coruscant Nights is written pretty well but it's full of so much out of left field shit that has no relation or precedence within the EU that it kind of ruins itself. It's still readable, unlike anything tied into TCW or some of the late EU when they handed it all to terrible authors, but you should go into it with lowered expectations and the understanding that it had very little oversight.

Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader and the Dark Times comics run are the best material for the very earliest days of the Empire. Dark Lord especially, since it forms its own trilogy with the ROTS novelization and Labyrinth of Evil that's one of the best pieces of the Star Wars as a whole.
 
Cloak of Deception is great but it's also been made kind of redundant by Darth Plagueis, since it basically takes place in the background of the last third of that book. Not that I wouldn't recommend it, but it's not still required reading for the EU/Prequels experience.
I disagree, the story of Plagueis is a whole different story entirely even if some stuff happens at the same time.

In my view, Cloak of Deception is Episode 1 and Plagueis is Episode 0.

I'd easily reccomend reading Plagueis first thing for starting the Prequel saga and moving right into Cloak of Deception after.
 
The Kaminoans would at most keep this thing in the facilities, probably janitorial service.
Shit, he’d probably jump at the chance:
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That would probably be the reason why he trooned out; he wanted to get out of combat duty, so the Kaminoans would throw his ass into the janny staff.

It's sad really because I don't think the people involved in this understand why a canon with as little mistakes as possible is so important from a business perspective. The overarching storyline is what makes your dedicated fans and what turns them into your customers. The anal detail of your narrative and the lore and it's connectivity is what gets people involved and devoted to your silly space opera. You will always have those who're are just passing through a fandom and have only a vague interest and surface level understanding in it but the ones who stay and truly support it are the very people who would care about broken timelines, disruptions to how a character is portrayed, etc. Some genderqueer dangerhair posting about the anti-blackness of cancelling the acolyte on X is not the person dropping 10 Grand on a life size Vader.
Again, that's because these people think handling such a property is a gig, not a calling. It was a calling to the nerds who handled it for Lucas, because they were getting paid to do nerd shit, and they loved it. But for today's Hollywood crowd? They probably think that the SW fans should count themselves lucky that such ''esteemed'' people are paying attention to their franchise in the first place. The narcissism in these people is off the charts. Some EU writer would feel lucky just to play in Lucas' sandbox and have Han, Luke, and Leia hobnob with their OCs, but these people outright demote the OT characters in place of their own.

I mean, if I created characters for the OT era, I'd still treat the OT heroes with respect; if I had a Rebel/New Republic OC, they'd be worshiping the ground Luke Skywalker walked through, as if they were a starstruck fanboy/fangirl. And if I had an Imperial OC in a novel of mine fight in a pitched battle against Luke Skywalker, he or she would be in for the fight of their lives, and would be lucky to walk off the battlefield in one piece. Maybe Luke gets sloppy and lets them get away, or maybe he shows them mercy. Instead, these people made Luke a failure in the Sequels. They made the Jedi into hypocrites in the Acolyte. And they made the franchise all about their OCs who are oh-so-better.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Disney spent $4 billion just to buy the rights to Luke Skywalker and the Jedi, only to tell the world that they suck. And not just them, but the Empire sucks too; can't have people worshiping fascists after all, so let's have the Empire's best admiral lose to some schmuck with fucking space whales.

So if the good guys suck, and the bad guys suck, what the fuck is left? The Antifa stuff in Andor, which is ending after its second season? Filoni's OCs who are about to take their final journey with the Mandoverse/Ahsoka movie? That isn't a good policy for long-term sustainability.
 
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