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Should be a wild four years.

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[neger psykolog]

Sorry, but Trump signed all his pardons by hand with an ink pen in front of witnesses and on live television. Try again.

I can't find any TV footage of him signing the pardon of Michael Flynn. He only announced it on Twitter.

I bet if I spent a bit of time I could find more examples.

 

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I don't think the VP gets all the president's power when they are filling in. Otherwise, we would have gotten stories of some wild VP pardons when the President is getting surgery done or something. The VP and cabinet can do a vote of no confidence, which would make the VP the new president if the president is actually incapacitated.

I'm absolutely certain a VP could try pardoning someone while he was filling in and it would make for a fascinating SCOTUS case if it was challenged. But like everything else in our system, it's held together by Gentlemens' agreements not to do things like that, and is completely useless for ruling over or by a nation of anything but ethical, honorable, gentlemen. God help us.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Sorry, but Trump signed all his pardons by hand with an ink pen in front of witnesses and on live television. Try again.

"You can't sign papers in Sharpe, therefore everything is null and void!"

Yeah but you could also just as easily rationalize it that the administration was worried about their own party pushing back on the pardons because they were excessive or (insert concern here), so they timed them to be on the last day.

And "last day pardons" have happened way before this:

• "In the 18th century, George Washington granted the first high-profile federal pardon to leaders of the Whiskey Rebellion on his final day in office"
• "In the 21st century, Clinton's pardons of 140 people on his last day in office, January 20, 2001, including billionaire fugitive Marc Rich and his own half-brother, Roger Clinton, were heavily criticized."

Last day pardons are common and valid, but the use of an Autopen and Biden being Biden along with whatever Trump's team has found has made these pardons very suspect and it seems like deepstate looking out for deepstate than Biden doing the Dems a solid.

 

[GameratePTSD]

I will take back all my jokes about Trump being a lame duck president if he can actually imprison Fauci and release all the classified COVID documents.

I want to see Mark Milley executed. Even if this doesn't work I'll bet that fat fuck felt sheer panic when he heard this news.

 

[Rekieta’s Broken Penis]

I see no way this can bite trump and his followers right in the ass.

Sorry, but Trump signed all his pardons by hand with an ink pen in front of witnesses and on live television. Try again.

Sounds like you agree with him, retard.

 

[neger psykolog]

I don't think the VP gets all the president's power when they are filling in. Otherwise, we would have gotten stories of some wild VP pardons when the President is getting surgery done or something. The VP and cabinet can do a vote of no confidence, which would make the VP the new president if the president is actually incapacitated.

There gave never been wild VP pardons because it'd be political suicide.

 

[Oxyjen]

Feels like that's the end goal. Keep balkanizing US harder and harder.

Of course. Liquidate the US. Retards cheering the whole way.

 

[Neil]

Culture wars are literally what lead to Trump getting elected President of the United States, and to you crying and hyperventilating right now faggot!

LMAO the middle class voting against their own interests for the sake of owning the sub <<<<1% percent of troons that live in the US isn't a good thing lol
Our economy being in shambles should matter more than seeing random Twitter users be upset, I'd think.

Trump lost to the most massive cheating apparatus ever devised in the USA, protected by a fake pandemic allowing their operative to operate blatantly illegally, and including a completely captured judiciary ensuring that no remedy was possible.

He has four long years to actually prove that, then lol, but he won't, he conjured up the rigged election lie because he was asshurt that he lost, beaten by Joe Biden. And you believe that lie because you're also asshurt that he lost, beaten by Joe Biden.

btw Trump was the president throughout the vast majority of the COVID pandemic, and the entirety of the 2020 election, he's had access to the government's backend longer than Biden, yet he still hasn't found any proof of this supposed magical "massive cheating apparatus".

Biden is unpardoned and completely open to be prosecuted for supposedly running this "massive cheating apparatus", yet Trump hasn't done that yet. He hasn't even mentioned the supposed cheating ever since he won reelection. Have you ever wondered why that is?

 

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This thread is going to jump 50+ pages today, isn't it?

50+? More like 100+. It was featured, and this is a political event that will be discussed in the history books, no matter what happens.

He put his statement out 35 minutes after midnight. We're still 15 minutes to 3 hours and 15 minutes before shit starts opening up on the East Coast.

All hell is about to break loose, politically speaking.

We might finally, dare I say it, see something actually happen.

Last day pardons are common and valid, but the use of an Autopen and Biden being Biden along with whatever Trump's team has found has made these pardons very suspect and it seems like deepstate looking out for deepstate than Biden doing the Dems a solid.

I can't imagine Trump would do this without having found evidence. Even Friday they were talking about Biden insiders leaking shit to the WaPo New York Post about a specific Biden staffer having used the Autopen to sign things without Biden's knowledge, under the assumption that Biden's staffer knew what the President would have wanted. The staffer flat out said that the aide was effectively President, not Biden.

Once that information got out, Trump + the FBI + The Secret Service probably dragged staffers in to find out what the fuck happened, or someone went straight to the Trump admin to leak it. Remember, the Democrats have lost support of their own base. Everyone hates them, even the ex Biden staffers. That's presuming they didn't leave any paper trails -- video evidence, people talking about it on internal comms or Telegram/Signal using government devices, etc.

If Trump has hard evidence confirming one of Biden's staff was de-facto acting as President, he has a blank check to undo anything Biden did that was signed via Autopen. And that's basically everything Biden did, because one of the first warning signs of dementia is your signature degrading.

 

[BradCarter]

Our economy being in shambles should matter more than seeing random Twitter users be upset, I'd think.

Just learn to code faggot

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

I mean all it really takes is Biden to issue a video statement or signed document (or both) saying all of the pardons were done under his order. If he doesn't do that then it'll make things into a bigger question.

Trump would just claim that it's a deepfake. It's not like this was based on any legitimate concern, he's just flinging shit at the wall.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Biden: "Student loan debt is gone idk fuck the courts"
SCOTUS: "Please sir please abide by the ruling... its ok nevermind..."

That's a retarded example because none of it that was challenged in court ever went through.

 

[Cuckoman]

I mean all it really takes is Biden to issue a video statement or signed document (or both) saying all of the pardons were done under his order. If he doesn't do that then it'll make things into a bigger question.

Yes, that would void the entire argument that it was done without his knowledge/instruction/approval.
It is a good thing that there were no combatting factions within the whitehouse that all fought for power and hated eachother.
It is also good that Biden stepped down and exited his campaign of his own choice and it was all 100% amicable and and on good terms ...

Who am I kidding. There is enough bad blood in his administration that they could shoot another elevator scene in The Shining.
Perhaps Biden will see this as a great opportunity to backstab and twist the knife in the fuckers that couped him.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I appreciate Trump's attempts to try and fix things, but he has to realize that he literally can't just make shit up. That's not how a country of rule and law works.

It doesn't matter what Trump can or cannot do, the precedent is set and the dice is thrown. I assume he knows what he's doing and has a plan here.
Personally, I don't give two shits what happens next, as long as Fauci is found dead to a tragic weightlifting accident with two self afflicted gunshot wounds to the back of his head, or is send to prison for the rest of his life.

 

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Ask yourself this: Does some zoomer or millenial theater kid going "I know what the President would want, if he wasn't off on a beach eating ice cream, again, so I'm going to arrange this and sign it for him" match the kind of stupid fucking attitude we've seen from the theater kids that have shoved their way into politics over the past decade?

Cause it absolutely matches my theory of mind of what these fuckers would do, and completely justify doing to themselves.

 

[FinnSven]

Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction

Sounds like Trump is going Sovereign Citizen.

That’s a thing the British version sometimes claim when they don’t want to comply with a court order.
According to them a court order is only valid if the judge signs it by hand, presumably with a quill pen, in wet ink.

 

[Otterly]

as long as Fauci is found dead to a tragic weightlifting accident with two self afflicted gunshot wounds to the back of his head

Too convenient. I want him investigated and I want the truth and I want him to face in court and before the public what he did

 

[Dumbledore's Onlyfans]

LMAO the middle class voting against their own interests for the sake of owning the sub <<<<1% percent of troons that live in the US isn't a good thing lol
Our economy being in shambles should matter more than seeing random Twitter users be upset, I'd think.

Name 5 things Kamala Harris would have done to fix the economy that Trump isn't doing.

Name 5 ways that Kamala Harris would have worked for the middle class's "best interests" that Trump isn't doing.

You can't, because Kamala Harris's only platform planks were "I'm not Trump" and "I'm a black woman". The Biden administration's policies, which presumably Kamala Harris would have continued since she had no platform of her own, are what led directly to our economy being the shambles that it's in right now. So your "voting against their own best interests" condescending and out of touch argument is moot.

The only rational vote that one could make in the 2024 election was for someone to do SOMETHING other than continue with the status quo. The status quo has already proven itself to be disastrous, so taking a chance on a disaster that we DON'T know makes more sense than voting for the disaster that we DO know. Even if Trump's policies do turn out shitty in the long run, at least he tried, and that's 100% more than Biden or Harris ever did.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Too convenient. I want him investigated and I want the truth and I want him to face in court and before the public what he did

Considering that Trump no doubt blames how Democrats screwed him during the early COVID era for his loss in 2020, he might just blow the lid on the whole affair if nothing else out of spite. I hope this is the beginning of a true Punished Trump, not just a meme.

 

[JustStopDude]

This is quite the distraction from the economy.