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The old 1950s sci-fi writer H. Beam Piper wrote a series of novels and short stories set in a far future where a 20th century WW3 between NATO and Warsaw Pact obliterates the Northern Hemisphere, so the human civilization that ends up establishing interstellar colonies and conquering the stars is descended from Portuguese and Spanish South America, Afrikaner South-Africa, and Australia, with a sprinkling of Northern Hemisphere refugees who relocated to the Southern Hemisphere shortly before and after WW3, bringing with them the best of their technology and knowledge.One of the few good Reddit moments I remember was a AH where the Able Archer exercise in 1983 kicks off a nuclear war. Difference with a lot of scenarios like this is that the Northern Hemisphere gets obliterated, but the South is unaffected except for a site or two in Australia. Guy who created it called it after a Redgum song, It'll be Alright in the Long Run.
Basically, the world is now split into a pact of Latin American Condor-era juntas, 1980's Australia, and Apartheid South Africa. I thought it was interesting because it's one of the few Alt-Histories that doesn't nuke the world and say "It's all fucked", and South Africa isn't just your average retard interpretation of "Muh evil doo-doo head Apartheid raycissts." The world is basically frozen in the 1980's, so there's plenty of lore to build on. Also for once it's not an American-centric Post-Apocalypse scenario.
Archive of the Reddit thread I found it in. I think it's a really neat idea.
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However, since the novels were the products of a 1950s American writer, the characters still talk like 1950s Americans, complete with idioms and slang, even though in the stories they are supposed to be speaking a lingua franca based on a melding of Portuguese, Spanish, Afrikaans, and English. The characters smoke and drink like 1950s American, even building 1950s American customs like cocktail hour into their schedules, but the clever in-universe explanation is that 1950s America is considered by the far-future descendants of WW3 survivors as the heyday of a long dead Western civilization, the last era of peace and prosperity before the new dark age, to be emulated like the Founding Fathers emulated Classical Rome and Greece.
But Piper does make a good effort to give the setting a strong Southern Hemisphere feel. All the big industrial companies are Argentine or South African. The best universities on Earth are in South America. Pretty much all of the characters explicitly have a Southern Hemisphere background either Southern native or Northern refugees who have been in the South for generations and have a familiarity with Southern Hemisphere history and culture. The Northern Hemisphere is slowly being restored and resettled but lags behind the South.
In the steampunk novel "The Difference Engine", the Perfidious Angloids have kept America disunited by propping up the CSA in the still ongoing Civil War, and also running guns to other breakaway American states like an independent Texas. One of the breakaway states is a Manhattan Commune, which basically sounds like a longer-lasting version of the Paris Commune. Whereas the Paris Commune was formed in reaction to the Imperial French defeat in the Franco-Prussian War, the Manhattan Commune is formed in reaction to the US federal government's inability to defeat the CSA.NYC had a secession proposal (from the mayor, it didn't gain traction) during the Civil War due to its status as a major cotton entrepot and center of the Democratic Party. I don't think anyone has really explored this but I am interested in Confederate victory settings (which so often have Deseret or stupid shit like California existing) with NYC as a bizarre extra state of the Confederacy or just as a close ally.