Fallout series

Just played through old world blues and it man does it suck. The writing is pretty good, a tad lengthy though, but the gameplay is just a slog. Just filled with bullet sponges enemies that overwhelm you with numbers or knockdown. The amount of times that I got knockdowned onto the ground by a shotgun while lobotomies, Cazadores, night stalkers and other obnoxious enemies rape my corpse is ridiculous. It doesn't help that once you think you are done killing waves of enemies the games spawns more. The perks and XP are pretty nice rewards for finishing the DLC though. After going through old world blues I'm now dreading dead money which is even more of a slog gameplay wise.
its the only mod where level with you IIRC, also their respawn times are much sooner.
Yeah it seems stupid but this is still the fallout universe. There's a whole bunch of mad science bullshit everywhere and those BOS paladins are outfitted in what is (lorewise) a walking tank.
exactly, its like NK but if they actually had nukes, or better yet were the only ones with nukes.
Indeed, power armor isnt that impressive when the opposition is armed with stuff strong enough to pierce through it.

That does make me wonder what it was done with the enclave armors, I mean, sure, they might be from the enemy but they are the strongest piece of PA there is (or was until "suddenly" a new better model came into scene...unless the Enclave specific model is still stronger? Idk, shit's confusing).

Either way, the enclave left a lot of stuff behind and you would have to be a moron to not retrofit that tech into your defensive arsenal
knowing rural california i assume every tom, dick, and harry took as much as they could carry to sell for scrap. you think catalytic converters sell for a pretty penny i bet enclave has tons of neat goodies worth even more. Beyond that i doubt the NCR could take all the power Armour away from people, then their whole "execute the enclave" means they probably don't have many people that know how to get in the fucking things in the first place, (of course you could say the same thing about the vertibirds)

also after 40 years i'm sure whatever they managed to obtain from the Enclave has been used up or destroyed by now (but again you could argue the same for vertibirds)

Then theres the whole "too rare/good to let fall into enemy hands" aspect.
 
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its the only mod where level with you IIRC, also their respawn times are much sooner.

exactly, its like NK but if they actually had nukes, or better yet were the only ones with nukes.

knowing rural california i assume every tom, dick, and harry took as much as they could carry to sell for scrap. you think catalytic converters sell for a pretty penny i bet enclave has tons of neat goodies worth even more. Beyond that i doubt the NCR could take all the power Armour away from people, then their whole "execute the enclave" means they probably don't have many people that know how to get in the fucking things in the first place, (of course you could say the same thing about the vertibirds)

also after 40 years i'm sure whatever they managed to obtain from the Enclave has been used up or destroyed by now (but again you could argue the same for vertibirds)

Then theres the whole "too rare/good to let fall into enemy hands" aspect.

Again, if there was a piece of lore that said that after the president's death and the loss of the Oil Rig, the chapter's surviving members had this "scorched earth" order to destroy all their equipment besides the essential stuff for a strategic retreat so the enemy wont be able to use said equipment.

It would have satisfied me and it didnt feel out of place for the enclave to do that in a tight spot. It would have been a passable explanation why the NCR and BOS didnt retrofit the Enclave PA into their arsenal.

Then again, years later and just now the NCR is starting to adapt "light" Power Armor into their equipment...which is a bit stupid, ngl. Again, there was an easy in universe explanation, just say that the NCR Power Armors were considered far too precious to "waste" on the mojave campaign because a lot back home were starting to lose faith that the NCR could pull this expansion operation

Given how Obsidian loves to keep a very connected and tight lore to avoid plotholes, there are some real obvious ones that are just met with a giant "shrug" and if anyone blames Bethesda for this, its gonna be pretty desperate.
 
Then again, years later and just now the NCR is starting to adapt "light" Power Armor into their equipment...which is a bit stupid, ngl. Again, there was an easy in universe explanation, just say that the NCR Power Armors were considered far too precious to "waste" on the mojave campaign because a lot back home were starting to lose faith that the NCR could pull this expansion operation
I mean... the logistics are a pain, they're probably short on trained personnel (seriously using those suits is canonically a bitch) to the point where its expressly mentioned you don't need training to wear the salvaged suits, and they're able to cobble them together off all the dead Paladins in their war with the BoS. Actual PA requires a lot of training in the case of the T-45d and the T-51b is complicated as fuck to maintain thanks to being top-end pre-War tech if you're not the Brotherhood or Enclave.

Not to say they don't have suits working, I mean the Scorched Sierra PA is a fully-functioning T-45d suit, not a stripped-down and salvaged suit like the typical NCR gear. Given how fancy it is and including the servo mods to give only +1 STR but no AGI penalty Royez is probably a goddamn war hero in the fight against the BoS. I'd say he was probably wounded pretty badly in a fight, and so the modified suit and its life support functions keep him mobile, which makes sense given he's guarding a relatively safe rear area location, and he was probably trained to wear it during his physical rehab.

Assuming the Enclave went scorched earth on Navarro, no doubt there's little the Operation Paperclip'd techs could do with regards to power armor, arguably the bulk of their efforts focused on more macro-scale things like vertibirds, especially since there would have been recovered schematics thanks to the Chosen One. That said, the fact there's Vertibird techs already at Hoover prior to the President flying in implies there's semi-regular flights, enough to keep a dedicated maintenance crew handy.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Hoover_Dam_terminal_entries#Engineering_Report
Engineering Report - Mike Lawson

We've received word the the President's vertibird is having some issues with the flight control computer. I've had some of the techs here examine the logs that were sent and we think we can fix the issue with a small computer update. Ranger Grant has given me permission to have one of the NCR Engineers examine the vertibird when it arrives as well as having our computer update the vertibird's systems after it arrives.

Mike Lawson
Again, the Dam is at the ass-end of nowhere as far as the NCR is concerned. Of course they're not sending their best until things start escalating, and that pre-war riot armor the Rangers have for heavy combat duties is some really good shit, so I don't blame them for not wanting or needing to invest in mass-scale deployment of power armor, not yet anyways. Things are probably different closer to home where spare parts are less of an issue, and no doubt there's at least some dedicated PA squads given the BoS War.
 
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Just played through old world blues and it man does it suck. The writing is pretty good, a tad lengthy though, but the gameplay is just a slog. Just filled with bullet sponges enemies that overwhelm you with numbers or knockdown. The amount of times that I got knockdowned onto the ground by a shotgun while lobotomies, Cazadores, night stalkers and other obnoxious enemies rape my corpse is ridiculous. It doesn't help that once you think you are done killing waves of enemies the games spawns more. The perks and XP are pretty nice rewards for finishing the DLC though. After going through old world blues I'm now dreading dead money which is even more of a slog gameplay wise.
Almost all of New Vegas' DLCs have level scaling and most enemies have buffed defenses too. The Big MT enemies are tougher than their Mojave versions, it's most obvious with the robots. The "go fuck yourself" spawns only get worse in the other DLC too. Doing Dead Money last makes it the easiest DLC by far, you'll probably be able to do all the optional skill check stuff and the OWB perks you get for putting your organs back help a ton
 
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Yes, even though without those "corporate hacks", more than half of them wouldn't even know what the fuck Fallout is.

Face it, if it wasn't for Bethesda or Fallout 3, most of these yahoos would just be playing Final Fantasy or some other RPG.
 
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Honestly, I kinda pity these guys for not moving on. It's not even relatively fresh in minds like what's happened to Star Wars or Star Trek, Fallout has been a Bethesda IP for almost 14 years now, and the series had jumped the shark under Interplay with Brotherhood of Steel (I'm not sure why they're not more mad at them for killing Van Buren in favor that game, there was even a passive aggressive jab towards NMA in the credits).

On some level, I get what they're feeling as I was a fan of IPs like Paper Mario and Banjo-Kazooie, but there has to come a time to let go and find other interests instead of wallowing in bitterness. Maybe they'll get a bone thrown to them if inXile gets a shot at a new Fallout in the style of their Wasteland games, but for better or worse Fallout is a different beast now.

Also, using some guy's death to shit on something entirely different is a real bitch move. This is a time to mourn, not score "points".
 
the series had jumped the shark under Interplay with Brotherhood of Steel (I'm not sure why they're not more mad at them for killing Van Buren in favor that game, there was even a passive aggressive jab towards NMA in the credits).
I can't believe more people aren't mad at BoS for causing 9/11.
 
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Look, there is having an opinion and then having an OBSESSION. They clearly have the latter towards hating Bethesda.

Thats why I kind of hate this "anti-Bethesda" cult that developted, especially in the Fallout fanbase. They sort of "deified" Interplay and the first two Fallouts (plus NV) while demonizing F3 and F4. Makes me wonder how many actually played F1 and 2 and arent just following a hate trend (People hating something they have little info about for the sake of clout and herd mentality? Neeeever....)

I will be the first one to point issues with Bethesda but I wont act like Interplay is flawless and that the former hasnt done good for the franchise. Its fine to have passion but if you passion involves mindlessly hating a company, exaggerating their flaws and devaluing their accomplishments, you have to stop and rethink your life.

Shit like this makes me want to shit talk Interplay and Classic Fallouts (plus NV) online just to spite these people.

I recall someone said once "Seriously, go to 4Chan and say you DONT like Fallout NV...I dare you. Better yet, not only say that but say you prefer Fallout 3. They wont let you leave alive"
Yes, even though without those "corporate hacks", more than half of them wouldn't even know what the fuck Fallout is.

Face it, if it wasn't for Bethesda or Fallout 3, most of these yahoos would just be playing Final Fantasy or some other RPG.

Probably doing what they do and romanticizing the past while demonizing the present and future to an ridiculous degree.
Honestly, I kinda pity these guys for not moving on. It's not even relatively fresh in minds like what's happened to Star Wars or Star Trek, Fallout has been a Bethesda IP for almost 14 years now, and the series had jumped the shark under Interplay with Brotherhood of Steel (I'm not sure why they're not more mad at them for killing Van Buren in favor that game, there was even a passive aggressive jab towards NMA in the credits).

On some level, I get what they're feeling as I was a fan of IPs like Paper Mario and Banjo-Kazooie, but there has to come a time to let go and find other interests instead of wallowing in bitterness. Maybe they'll get a bone thrown to them if inXile gets a shot at a new Fallout in the style of their Wasteland games, but for better or worse Fallout is a different beast now.

Also, using some guy's death to shit on something entirely different is a real bitch move. This is a time to mourn, not score "points".

What happened to Fallout is a far more subjective issue rather than an objective issue like with SW,ST and TLOU Part 2 (just to mention a few)

You can still enjoy Fallout for what it is nowadays while still prefering the old style but trying to make the best of what we got now. Bethesda never shit the bed compared to these franchises, they just kind of went to different directions than what fans wanted and I say they could always turn the tables around by making F5 a better Fallout game. These franchises I mentioned were permanently hurt by what was done to them, to the point I legit see no recovery.

I think the difference is the people it came from. There was legit malice there.
 
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This odd Bethesda hatred trend is fascinating to me and I was even on board with it at a point in time. It was always there in places like NMA which makes sense, they played the isometric games and didn't like the new style so I get it and if I recall some of them even disliked NV when it first came out. I feel like it was things like the HBomberguy video and others like it that more or less made it "cool" to hate Bethesda's Fallouts and make 1,2 and NV these untouchables. Any criticism given to NV is conveniently blamed on Bethesda even when it doesn't make sense and most of them haven't played the first two, at best read the wiki and watched lore videos.
Honestly a better discussion to have would be how would they improve Fallout 3, honestly surprised there hasn't been a mod project to try and fix the issues with 3 like adding a greenhouse to Megaton and other things of that nature. Do a Broken Steel for the whole game and not just the ending, I'd play it.
 
I can't believe more people aren't mad at BoS for causing 9/11.
Well, it did take the Fallout franchise from a medium-to-palatable series and made it into a laughingstock that Interplay wanted to sell off to cover the debts.

So this was the equivalent of them torpedoing the foundations of the Fallout franchise.

This odd Bethesda hatred trend is fascinating to me and I was even on board with it at a point in time. It was always there in places like NMA which makes sense, they played the isometric games and didn't like the new style so I get it and if I recall some of them even disliked NV when it first came out. I feel like it was things like the HBomberguy video and others like it that more or less made it "cool" to hate Bethesda's Fallouts and make 1,2 and NV these untouchables. Any criticism given to NV is conveniently blamed on Bethesda even when it doesn't make sense and most of them haven't played the first two, at best read the wiki and watched lore videos.
What really made me appreciate the Bethesda Fallouts were the music from the radio. It's an idea Bethesda put in that made Fallout's replay value shoot through the roof. Listening to classic tunes while blowing away Super Mutants and power-armored mooks is far more cathartic than just running around in a filthy environment as the same drab, melancholic music plays in the background.

When I first played New Vegas, and that same dark, drab music played as I trekked through the Mojave, I wasn't too thrilled with the game, until I turned on the radio and found out that you can get music while playing. After that, my view of the game changed forever, because yes, music is a big factor in how your game gets received. Many games, from Halo, Mass Effect, the Star Wars games, and the Elder Scrolls games get through because of awesome music.

Part of what makes the dragon fights in Skyrim a blast to play through for the average noob who just bought an RPG out of sheer curiosity is the epic music blasting in the background as the dragon swoops down for another pass. The same went for me in Fallout; the experience of slaughtering the entire Brotherhood of Steel while "Big Iron" played in the background is comparable to gunning down the Covenant in the Silent Cartographer level in Halo while the rock and roll version of the Halo theme played; an experience of gameplay joy and ecstasy that few games can bring, making your victory taste sweet.

And while any person can just turn on the music on the background for that, when the game thinks of doing it for you, and adds in some very classic, catchy tunes that you can sing alongside it, that's a feature well worth several extra points in the "good game" category. Fallout went from having drab, melancholy tunes, to introducing kids to good music, from the Enclave Radio channel that had catchy patriotic songs, to Radio New Vegas and its cowboy songs. Fallout 1 and 2 made fun of 1950s Cold War America, but Fallout 3 and New Vegas brought the joys of American music to the modern day.

Honestly a better discussion to have would be how would they improve Fallout 3, honestly surprised there hasn't been a mod project to try and fix the issues with 3 like adding a greenhouse to Megaton and other things of that nature. Do a Broken Steel for the whole game and not just the ending, I'd play it.
Exactly. Instead of calling it quits, they should be talking about how to make things better. Especially since their blind worship of the first two games practically puts into question their status as objective critics.
 
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Honestly a better discussion to have would be how would they improve Fallout 3, honestly surprised there hasn't been a mod project to try and fix the issues with 3 like adding a greenhouse to Megaton and other things of that nature. Do a Broken Steel for the whole game and not just the ending, I'd play it.
Compelling until you realize nobody really plays fallout 3 and even less people make mods for it compared to 4 and new Vegas
 
Exactly. Instead of calling it quits, they should be talking about how to make things better. Especially since their blind worship of the first two games practically puts into question their status as objective critics.
Maybe the capitol wasteland team will work on that, maybe inbetween dilation sessions.

But I do remember some mods existing that did exactly that. But remember that FO3 had a much smaller community of modders, at least ones worth a damn, and the nexus and geck were in their infancy. TTW mods might be the closest youll get to that wish.
 
Really just a random thought that came to my mind recently, but if we do get Fallout 5 and it takes place on the east coast again in the usual places, I would like it if there was a group/faction that existed that had recently been gaining money, power, and good press by being a fucking garbage service that runs a large dump/recycling plant that has been sending out people and trucks to pick up trash and fix things up to finally make it look like the bombs hadn't just fallen yesterday.
 
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