Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[Just Some Other Guy]

Ran across this post elsewhere:

 

[Betonhaus]

Ran across this post elsewhere:

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If you slam the doors on the cyber truck they seperate and trying to open the door will rip it apart

 

[quaawaa]

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If you slam the doors on the cyber truck they seperate and trying to open the door will rip it apart

Note that the next scene is him doing the exact same thing to an F-150 and the door trim also falls off.

The frame snapped while towing only after he drove it off a ledge and it landed on the exact area spot that later broke. Maybe a steel frame could have handled that, but that's not anything close to normal use.

Using a WhistlinDiesel video for evidence of flaws is incredibly dumb.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Note that the next scene is him doing the exact same thing to an F-150 and the door trim also falls off.

The frame snapped while towing only after he drove it off a ledge and it landed on the exact area spot that later broke. Maybe a steel frame could have handled that, but that's not anything close to normal use.

Using a WhistlinDiesel video for evidence of flaws is incredibly dumb.

I have no opinion on the video except it was slightly amusing. A steel frame objectively would have handled that better, though.

Cyber truck is still a massive pos without that video, however.

 

[Susanna]

I guess the trim coming off shouldn't actually lock the door in place? I'm sure doors can get jostled pretty badly in a crash, and you may need to leave the vehicle quickly after that, if it catches fire or something? But having some muscle freak show up and put all his strength into slamming a door and then acting shocked when it breaks is kind of silly. I'm sure he'd break my Mercedes if he did the same to it (except hopefully the trim wouldn't proceed to lock the door in place).

 

[Thiletonomics]

If modern manufacturers could lock your car while you are driving 80 MPH with your entire family in it, due to a missed payment on some DLC, they would do it in a heartbeat.

I'm pretty sure that BHPH dealers already use this technology to killswitch cars once a buyer misses a car payment.

During Car and Driver's Long-Term test of the BMW i4 EV, they hit a deer with it, and the repair cost was ~$17000, which is how much a base trim Nissan Versa costs. And extremely high repair costs are not just for EVs too, as had this accident occurred in an ICE BMW, the repair cost would have been almost the same.

It's going to be some nightmare-ish times in the future, when newer cars with minor damage (and not just EVs) get deemed as totaled, because of the extremely high repair costs, and insurance premiums are skyrocketing as well.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I'm pretty sure that BHPH dealers already use this technology to killswitch cars once a buyer misses a car payment.

During Car and Driver's Long-Term test of the BMW i4 EV, they hit a deer with it, and the repair cost was ~$17000, which is how much a base trim Nissan Versa costs. And extremely high repair costs are not just for EVs too, as had this accident occurred in an ICE BMW, the repair cost would have been almost the same.

It's going to be some nightmare-ish times in the future, when newer cars with minor damage (and not just EVs) get deemed as totaled, because of the extremely high repair costs, and insurance premiums are skyrocketing as well.

Is it some anti right to repair shit where the car is made from a literal jigsaw of parts so disassembling is impossible after any damage? I swear that shit is getting worse and worse, and nobody gives a shit.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Is it some anti right to repair shit where the car is made from a literal jigsaw of parts so disassembling is impossible after any damage? I swear that shit is getting worse and worse, and nobody gives a shit.

It isn't necessarily because of the right-to-repair bullshit (although Teslas are among the worst offenders of it), but the increasing amount of sensors for features such as Automatic Emergency Braking (which will be required on all US cars in 2029) and Advanced Cruise Control, LED lamps costing thousands of $ compared to the $20 or halogen bulbs of old, and computer systems in general, have all jacked up the prices of repairing stuff on newer cars, and makes them much more difficult to fix them. And in the case of EVs, a battery getting damage in a collision would be declared totaled immediately.

 

[Betonhaus]

I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to make a bare bones overbuilt car that takes in a profit because it's cheap and easy to repair, even if it doesn't have all the whizzbang fiddly bits.

 

[Zyklon Ben's Poison Pen]

I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to make a bare bones overbuilt car that takes in a profit because it's cheap and easy to repair, even if it doesn't have all the whizzbang fiddly bits.

You would be right. I think the issue is this:
1) Car prices drop over time as it gets easier and easier to slam out the parts (economy of scale) so they add more bells and whistles as value add ons to keep the prices stable
2) Bells and whistles keep the bar of entry high
3) Most car makers are in bed with regulators to ensure 1 & 2
You could probably slam out a modern 1980's vehicle for $10K while still having ABS and airbags and then go bankrupt because your car doesn't have much planned obsolescence so just keeps going and the yuppies that replace their cars every 2 years would shun you not being cool.

 

[Betonhaus]

You could probably slam out a modern 1980's vehicle for $10K while still having ABS and airbags and then go bankrupt because your car doesn't have much planned obsolescence so just keeps going and the yuppies that replace their cars every 2 years would shun you not being cool.

You would have until you reach max market penetration, after which you can willingly downsize your company and focus on maintaining your currently sold cars with the few new purchases. If you didn't massively scale your company up initially then the decline wouldn't be so significant and it would take a long time to reach max saturation.

Of course that assumes that you willing admit that the best future for you company is to reduce operations.

 

[No. 7 cat]

I still hold that electric cars ought to have a fairly small battery for everyday use, and a tiny diesel powerplant to keep it going when that battery runs out.

Isn't that a plug in hybrid (albeit usually with petrol), which works well? Toyota are emphasising that with the current Prius.

 

[Susanna]

Isn't that a plug in hybrid (albeit usually with petrol), which works well? Toyota are emphasising that with the current Prius.

Nah, those still connect the engine to the wheels through a gearbox. It’s an inefficient mess and requires you to scale the engine up such that it could do an uphill start fully loaded. What I’m describing is a small generator to recharge the battery. It’s significantly more efficient, and you save a tonne of weight making it even more efficient. The total power in the battery would sink during exertions such as climbing hills or accelerating, but would then slowly build back up during normal driving.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Ran across this post elsewhere:

This cunt is really annoying. Would be better if he actually put the cars through stress tests instead of bullshit-for-'entertainment' rubbish.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Musk fans claims Whistlin' pre broke the car or just operated in ways that could've broken any car while going more softly with the Ford.

This owner claims it's just childish entertainment. 112 likes v 278 dislikes, and while he makes good points, this essential method is to sound as patronising as possible. Car YouTubing is ground central of fakery, so honestly dunno if WhistlinDiesel has just made a severely contrived and unfair video.

Would've uploaded a file, as it won't play from this post, but apparently it's too large.

 

[Sam Losco]

Yeah I think Tesla is shit as much as anyone here, but that Whistlin' Diesel guy is a douchebag and that video doesn't mean fuck all. No one would drive the thing like that with that much abuse. That's not a video you can use to prove how shit the "truck" is.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Its obvious the video is satire to an extent. Though its funny to watch owners go into over cope mode over it.

Just laugh it off as the mindless entertainment it is, but nah. Have to go "ackshully" over it to the point of claiming they broke it ahead of time.

Its all "but muh bulletproof" until youtuber takes it to those extremes. Then "but that's not normal use".

 

[Thiletonomics]

And it didn't even take a year for the 1st Cybertruck fatality to occur.

CHAMBERS COUNTY, Texas (KTRK) -- A driver is dead after a Tesla Cybertruck crashed and burst into flames in Chambers County overnight, authorities said.

The fatal crash happened along Fisher Road near Cedar Port Parkway, not far from Beach City.

Texas Department of Public Safety officials said a Tesla Cybertruck left the roadway and struck a culvert before catching fire.

Video from the scene shows the Cybertruck was just a burned-out shell after the flames were extinguished.

Investigators said it was unclear why the driver lost control. The investigation is ongoing.

The driver was pronounced dead at the scene. Authorities did not immediately release his name.

The Cybertruck is the latest electric vehicle from Tesla. The company first started delivering the electric pickup trucks to customers in late 2023.

The truck first made headlines because of its unique look with flat, stainless steel sheet panels. It has continued to spark controversy due to ongoing safety concerns and an accelerator pedal pad recall.

It's yet to be determined if the driver died from blunt force trauma, from breathing toxic battery fumes from the burning battery, or from being charbroiled alive in the burning Cybertruck.

The other horrifying thing about the Cybertruck, is that only the carpet and a bit of foam separates the seating area from the battery pack, and the seats are bolted directly to the battery pack as well, compared to how most other EVs have a steel floor to keep the batteries separate from the carpeting:

And when a fire breaks out in the battery pack, the passengers will get directly exposed to the flames and toxic fumes.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Following a Mercedes-Benz EQE (or EQS) battery fire that damaged 140 cars and hospitalized 23 people for smoke inhalation, South Korea will be requiring auto makers to disclose the battery brands of EVs, when they catch on fire. (Archived)

The said Mercedes-Benz EV had a battery made by Chinese company Farasis Energy, which explains a lot.

Another bit of news from the previously mentioned Cybertruck fire, was that it also burned the VIN plates and the License Plates, making it harder to get info about this now burnt to ash EV truck.

Dodge also revealed the pricing for the new Charger Daytona EV. The R/T trim starts off at $61k, and the Scat Pack trim costs a whopping $75k. Given the type of people that are fans of the old ICE Chargers, the extremely high price isn't going to be attracting them for the most part, let alone them being able to get financing for one of these.

 

[TerribleUser09]

As Europoor i prefer ICE cars over EV's but this is just my taste. I rather have 1.6 MPI engine that I can modify to run on LPG and have significantly broader mileage than overpay for some EV that will be with bare-bone functions and limited range. I just looked over used Tesla Model S in my shithole and the prices ranges from ~25k EUR to ~30k EUR. Mostly models from 2014 when they were fresh, new and outstanding on roads due to their scarcity.

I never had a sympathy for Tesla. I remember once seen a guy with Tesla in tire replacement workshop that couldn't stop bragging about how "awesome" his car is. When he throw he paid for it ~80-90k Euro I couldn't comprehend that he had spend so much for a car while any other ICE manufacturer would provide a luxury car with all functions available.