The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Eris!]

What life? Simply existing? Nothing even started, they have no hobbies, no goals, no ideas, nothing but existing for the sake of existing. That's not a life lol.

You're using the word life colloquially and we're using it literally. Life means life.

 

[KEKleon]

A person is their hobbies and ideas.

Wow I never knew how killing lazy and uncreative people was alright.

People still have ideas when they're lazy. They've established their existence by interacting with others. Last time I checked a fetus existed and just sucked nutrients and kicked someone's insides, that's pretty much it other than killing the mom unintentionally. It's no more sentient than cancer until it pops out, breathes, and cries.

You're using the word life colloquially and we're using it literally. Life means life.

Oh no it's retarded.

 

[Lemmingwise]

They've established their existence by interacting with others

We go from hobbies and ideas, to interacting with others. Probably because you thought ahead and realized that babies don't have ideas or hobbies either.

 

[Eris!]

They've established their existence by interacting with others.

You only exist once you socialize? I agree with lemmingwise, from your argument you are justifying the murder of losers and loners. Is it more evil to kill someone who is well liked than someone nobody cares about?

Last time I checked a fetus existed

Even when arguing against its existence you can't help but accidentally acknowledge it. It obviously exists. It's absurd to say otherwise.

It's no more sentient than cancer until it pops out, breathes, and cries.

It doesn't have to be sentient. It has to be human life. The requirements for that are to be
1. Human
2. Life.
It fits both criteria.

Oh no it's retarded.

Using words correctly makes me retarded?

 

[BOLDYSPICY!]

Almost everything can and should be addressed in black and white thinking. If you ever see a grey area it means you do not properly understand things. Nuance always results from ignorance. If you properly understand something it is always clear.

I'm late as fuck, but you know black.& white thinking is a symptom of autism, right?

 

[Bob Barker]

I'm late as fuck, but you know black.& white thinking is a symptom of autism, right?

Only an autist deals in absolutes.

 

[cockle]

I'm not sure about how it is in America, but in my country it differs state-to-state. In one state you can abort up to 14 weeks, but can go up to 23 weeks if two doctors agree to the abortion but after 23, it's not legal to perform it UNLESS it's to save the pregnant woman's life.

Abortion should be legal for a few reasons that have already been discussed, but what I want to talk about is protesting in front of a medical center and how... Christ, how tacky it is. Abortion isn't something to take lightly, it's a serious decision for one to make. And I see in America people screaming in other peoples faces with posters that all but shout "if you have an abortion, you're a murderer" "You're a monster if you have one" and it's always right by the entrance of the building. (For reference, in most states of my country you can not protest abortion within 150m of a medical center that performs abortions).

It just seems like rubbing salt and lemon on a wound to me.

 

[Seventh Star]

With this one, I don't think there's an universal answer. Both sides of the coin are equally right in my eyes. I think countries should handle this at their own discretion.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I want to talk about is protesting in front of a medical center and how... Christ, how tacky it is. Abortion isn't something to take lightly

You need to read a little more of the thread.

It's just the removal of a parasite. Why wouldn't someone take that choice lightly?

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

Pro lifers suck off downies.

 

[Bec]

But the UK says young women can understand the consequences of birth control (which does have potential negative side effects). Which I agree with, but all the pro-blocker people are saying this ruling is going to lead to banning birth control and abortion for under 18s.

Oh no how will the under 18s murder their children now?

 

[Rakdos92]

Oh no how will the under 18s murder their children now?

Oh noes, women facing the consequences of their whoring, how will they ever recover?

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Oh noes, women facing the consequences of their whoring, how will they ever recover?

So 12 year old girls who were raped by their stepfathers should have go to carry babies to term in their bodies that can’t handle it? What’s wrong with you?

 

[Syntaxion]

So 12 year old girls who were raped by their stepfathers should have go to carry babies to term in their bodies that can’t handle it? What’s wrong with you?

You're taking an extreme example, that isn't really fair imo. I'm sure there's a world of a difference between a 12 year old raped by her stepfather and a hedonist 17 year old that simply wants carefree sex every weekend with 5 different guys with no regards or care.

With abortions, I agree with how religious countries deal with it. It's illegal but allowed if it's either because the girl is raped or if the pregnancy is a danger to the mother's life.

I think that's the fairest system, it protects women and girls who were raped while still keeping it illegal in general.

 

[AnOminous]

You're taking an extreme example, that isn't really fair imo. I'm sure there's a world of a difference between a 12 year old raped by her stepfather and a hedonist 17 year old that simply wants carefree sex every weekend with 5 different guys with no regards or care.

With abortions, I agree with how religious countries deal with it. It's illegal but allowed if it's either because the girl is raped or if the pregnancy is a danger to the mother's life.

That 17 year old is the last person I want having some kid who will grow up fatherless and end up on welfare or in prison after committing a series of crimes against worthwhile people. I mean seriously you think it's good to instrumentalize some baby by making it the punishment for having sex you disapprove of? What about the kid who has to grow up in a life of misery?

 

[Syntaxion]

That 17 year old is the last person I want having some kid who will grow up fatherless and end up on welfare or in prison after committing a series of crimes against worthwhile people.

The same can be said for plenty of people, with your logic we should just make abortions free for every single woman who wants them - after all, who wants a whorish women to become a mother? But obviously that's too extreme.

You're acting as if you know that a whorish woman will become a bad mother, but that doesn't have to be the case. Chances are, she'll be having children someday anyway. Why don't we just enforce abortions then? If we legitimize abortions through logic of who would be a good parent, then we might aswel go the next step.

You're acting as if you know the child's life will be hell and misery, even before it's born, and that that justifies ending it's life prematuraly. But plenty of single mothers have normal children, you're basically trying to assume the worst as a justification.

I also think your comment is a bit hypocritical. First you say that there shouldn't be a punishment for "sex I dissaprove of" but prior to that you say that this kind of sex leads to a child that will life a life of misery and hell. Either I am correct that that lifestyle is fucked up, or it has little bearing on the child that it bears. It can't be both lol

 

[teriyakiburns]

The same can be said for plenty of people, with your logic we should just make abortions free for every single woman who wants them - after all, who wants a whorish women to become a mother? But obviously that's too extreme.

Who said anything about abortion? They were talking about birth control pills.

Which aren't going away for teens, whatever the troonactivists think.

 

[AnOminous]

The same can be said for plenty of people, with your logic we should just make abortions free for every single woman who wants them - after all, who wants a whorish women to become a mother?

Actually, yes. But back to the subject at hand.

 

[Syntaxion]

Actually, yes. But back to the subject at hand.

Okay fair enough, well I completely disagree with that. I think giving every women a free abortion whenever they want and for whatever reason is extreme, but atleast you're consistent. Let's just agree to disagree then, we obviously have different views on this and I guess Sinner's Sandwich is correct, this isn't a thread about abortion.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

So 12 year old girls who were raped by their stepfathers should have go to carry babies to term in their bodies that can’t handle it?

Yes.

That 17 year old is the last person I want having some kid who will grow up fatherless and end up on welfare or in prison after committing a series of crimes against worthwhile people.

Society needs an underclass. People will suffer, but those people were meant to suffer anyways. Having artificial manmade solutions to something real and important like sex is causing great harm to society. People shouldn't have get out of jail free cards. This is the essence of society. If they lack the self control to not fuck up their life they should be at the bottom, smart people and super geniuses (like myself) rise to the top because we have low time preference.

What about the kid who has to grow up in a life of misery?

Misery and suffering makes people stronger. You're acting like this is a bad thing. It's not.