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SomeLameFurry said:
It's getting sadder each time something happens with him, can people slowly developed schizophrenia or tendencies over a long period of time?
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Most cases surface during adolescence, but it's definitely possible in adulthood. I just read through the wiki entry on schizophrenia (don't worry I'm an expert now) and Chris meets an alarming number of the environmental factors cited as contributing causes and exhibits many of the behaviours. Autism is also noted as being comorbid with schizophrenia in a small percentage of cases.

Even if the schizo stuff is just WebMD tier hysteria, Chris needs real medical assistance, and as long as he can coast along in his current environment he will not get it.

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Look, we can fight over this all day, but the simple fact of the matter is that trying to control, discipline, influence, or reprimand Chris is like trying to bottle wind. He's all over the place, there's no way to tell what he'll absorb and what he won't. That does not mean, however, that you just give up, because you damn well know he has nobody in his life who's going to bother to talk to him about this shit.

Let's be real for a minute. I hear the people snarking about how his sexual and inappropriate behavior at cons is such an unthinkable thing, but this is hardly a Chris-exclusive issue. Con Creepers (particularly involving girls who dress up) are such a common and omnipresent issue that most cons have specific preordained guidelines and practices in place to prepare for dealing with them.
He did not do something that is fucking unheard of. He engaged in an uncomfortably common faux-pas and the best you can do about it is what was done: pull his ass aside and tell him to knock that shit off if he wants to keep going.
 
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Dr. Boe Jangles Esq. said:
Look, we can fight over this all day, but the simple fact of the matter is that trying to control, discipline, influence, or reprimand Chris is like trying to bottle wind.
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I disagree with this on the basic premise that everyone adapts to their surroundings. Your brain doesn't stop developing until you're 50. People react to stimuli. Chris won't internalize feedback like you and I would, but he still develops to his situation and surroundings. It's the difference between debugging a problem and percussive debugging, but it's the same kind of thing.

People who say there's no hope just come across kinda fucking dull and unimaginative to me. You just have to be kinda dumb to think human beings are static creatures. Chris has changed dramatically due to Idea Guy's tampering, he can obviously change.
 
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Null said:
Chris has changed dramatically due to Idea Guy's tampering, he can obviously change.
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Uh oh, are you saying it requires Idea Guy level gaslighting to get Chris to change for the better?
Null if you would have told him that Sonichu says "grabbing butts and kissing cheeks without asking first is no-good!" then maybe it would have yielded better results.


I'm joking of course.
 
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Null said:
I disagree with this on the basic premise that everyone adapts to their surroundings. Your brain doesn't stop developing until you're 50. People react to stimuli. Chris won't internalize feedback like you and I would, but he still develops to his situation and surroundings. It's the difference between debugging a problem and percussive debugging, but it's the same kind of thing.

People who say there's no hope just come across kinda fucking dull and unimaginative to me. You just have to be kinda dumb to think human beings are static creatures. Chris has changed dramatically due to Idea Guy's tampering, he can obviously change.
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Chris is capable of change, but every external force that he allows to act on him (combined with his own exceptionally poor choices) is dragging him down this death spiral. Finances. weens. Anime. Trannydom. 14BC and the hoard. Social life (or social death in this case). The S.S. Chris-Chan will not change course of its own volition, and I don't think your hand is strong enough to turn the wheel alone, Null. But trying is admirable.
 
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Lez said:
@Null, I would bring attention to how it makes other people react/feel. Eg. "I know you like talking to other people and being friendly to other people. Sometimes, you stand too close to people. When you hug or kiss someone without asking, they will be surprised, or scared, or uncomfortable, or angry. It is not polite to stand too close to people without asking. Other people do not like it when you are too close. Other people do not like being touched if you don't ask first. If you want to touch someone, you must ask for permission. You must ask for permission every time you want to do a different touch. Other people like talking to you when you respect their personal space.

If you touch without asking and getting permission, people might report you to other cons and other cons will ban you because they think you might do it again. They do not like it when you touch other people without permission. Some people like saying hello to you but do not like being touched."

Of course, you can't guarantee that Christine won't slip up again. There will always be an unpredictability. Christine will need regular reminders, especially before cons, and I would say someone to stick with her and keep an eye on her during the day.
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Just tell him "Don't do to people anything you don't want niggos doing to you."
 
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Null said:
Rocky is utterly useless.

I should explain, and will explain in great detail later, that Chris is by far the most useful and competent person in his life.
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His friends are SJWs.

His pastoral counselor is in way over her head.

His mom is... Barb.

Even without knowing the details, I don't doubt you.
 
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Mariposa Electrique said:
I'm glad Chris is attempting to help Null, but I believe eventually, the shoe will drop. With that being said, the best thing people can do is leave him alone and wait for him to make such a big mess of his life that mental health evaluations will be ordered.
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Lol, was this really what you meant to say?
 
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Is it weening to suggest that one of us keep an eye on him at large social events like cons? Null can warn him all he wants but in the end he may as well disregard it when out and about. And weens outside the Farms will only make things hell for him whether he steps out of line with his interactions or not. I'm all for him getting out and away from Barb but he's getting more unstable by the month it seems. Seeing Chris like this is pretty sad.

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AnOminous said:
Lol, was this really what you meant to say?
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I didn't want to say "DIE CHRIS" or "SIRHC EID" What I meant to say is Chris is in need of tough love, and the toughest love you can give him is letting him screw up his own life and letting him work through that to gain some sort of efficacy. Chris won't screw up at Bronycon, or anywhere else for a while because all eyes or on him. (at least not for a while).

BScCollateral said:
Man, it is impossible to watch one of those videos without self-diagnosing as something or other.
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Because we all show minor tendencies like these, some psychologists believe these personality disorders are natural defense mechanisms.
 
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Is it I HAVE AUTISM PLEASE LAUGH AT ME to suggest that one of us keep an eye on him at large social events like cons? Null can warn him all he wants but in the end he may as well disregard it when out and about. And I HAVE AUTISM PLEASE LAUGH AT ME outside the Farms will only make things hell for him whether he steps out of line with his interactions or not. I'm all for him getting out and away from Barb but he's getting more unstable by the month it seems. Seeing Chris like this is pretty sad.

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I can't believe we are already talking about how to help Chris next only two days after Chris fucked up this hard despite unprecedented help.
 
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Mariposa Electrique said:
I didn't want to say "DIE CHRIS" or "SIRHC EID" What I meant to say is Chris is in need of tough love, and the toughest love you can give him is letting him screw up his own life and letting him work through that to gain some sort of efficacy. Chris won't screw up at Bronycon, or anywhere else for a while because all eyes or on him. (at least not for a while).
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You need to reread the first sentence of your post that @AnOminous quoted. lol
 
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Null said:
Rocky is utterly useless.
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Rocky is completely useless but, in all fairness, it's not her fault.

She's a pastoral counselor, not a trained psychologist. She's supposed to be counseling kids as they get ready for their confirmation, young couples as they prepare to get married, married couples who are having relationship problems, someone having problems with his/her faith, and shit like that. Dealing with Chris requires someone with a background in special ed, abnormal psychology, or maybe social work. It's a much bigger challenge than she is prepared/capable of handling.

The place where she went wrong was in agreeing to take on the responsibility of working with Chris when she fully knew that she was completely unqualified to do so.

Silver Octopus said:
Uh oh, are you saying it requires Idea Guy level gaslighting to get Chris to change for the better?
Null if you would have told him that Sonichu says "grabbing butts and kissing cheeks without asking first is no-good!" then maybe it would have yielded better results.
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I know you're joking but this brings up a good point. Regardless of whether you're talking about physical objects or someone's mind, it's a lot easier to break something than it is to fix it. Idea Guy was able to fuck Chris up because he reinforced what Chris wanted to believe and told Chris what he wanted to hear. Helping Chris is going to require someone to not only swim upstream against Idea Guy's nonsense but also to overcome the years of conditioning and bullshit that he has received from Bob, Barb, Rocky, the teachers at Manchester High, etc.

Godspeed, Null. If you can do this, you're a better man than I am, Gunga Din.
 
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