Were incels avoidable?

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Is she helpful? Useful? Loyal?
There's more to a person than having them alleviate boredom. Strippers and whores can do that for you. If that's what you desire from the people in your life then there's no need for anything which isn't shallow. But if you're looking for a partner of use to you and understand that utility inherent in someones support then you can truly understand not only marriage then anything to do with people.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Incels seem to have become a thing after "social media" took off, so maybe there's a connection?

 

[anustart76]

Why marry a woman if she's boring? What's the solution to that?

Their personalities usually don't matter that much, that's the point. You marry her for your future children.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Their personalities usually don't matter that much, that's the point. You marry her for your future children.

Why do you marry her and stay around then? Why don't you have sex, make sure she's pregnant, then leave?

And what if she has a personality you don't like that's passed to your children?

 

[56 others]

It has never been easier to reach adulthood as a completely disfunctional person. There have always been incels, but now there are more of them due to a surplus of males, ease of life not forcing people to become "strong", hoeflation, unrealistic standards set by social media, the mental health crisis (itself caused by many of these factors), and much much more. Im sure a lot of these issues could have been avoided, if we had any idea what the information age would bring us beyond what scifi authors wrote.

 

[Wesley Willis]

There were always worthless people. We now possess the technology to broadcast it all and the voyeuristic attitude to consume it.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Why do you marry her and stay around then? Why don't you have sex, make sure she's pregnant, then leave?

And what if she has a personality you don't like that's passed to your children?

I have no idea where dudes got the idea that a woman's personality doesn't matter. Let me tell you, from watching older family members in unhappy marriages bicker, you do NOT want to marry a woman who you're incompatible with. Both of you are going to either grow old and become bitter, angry, petty assholes towards each other, or you're going to get a messy divorce that nobody will benefit from. God help any children who get caught up in the middle of it all.

There were always worthless people. We now possess the technology to broadcast it all and the voyeuristic attitude to consume it.

The very fact that Keeping Up With The Kardashians even got as much viewership as it did (and still does?) is disturbing. The common culture of today encourages being a trashy, crass idiot who doesn't contribute jack shit.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I have no idea where dudes got the idea that a woman's personality doesn't matter. Let me tell you, from watching older family members in unhappy marriages bicker, you do NOT want to marry a woman who you're incompatible with. Both of you are going to either grow old and become bitter, angry, petty assholes towards each other, or you're going to get a messy divorce that nobody will benefit from. God help any children who get caught up in the middle of it all.

This is a man who will marry a woman, have kids, then abandon them. If fate felt extra ironic, he'd have a boy and that boy would say and do the same thing his theoretical father did, continuing to abandon children but blame it on mom because daddy didn't marry right and it's her fault for not pleasing him when all he wanted was to pass his genes down.


I wracked my brain for a whole day after reading "women don't have personalities" to understand what life circumstances he had that caused him to come up with that, and my only theory now is that he's too goddamn autistic to see most people as human beings and his theory of mind is shit.

 

[I Love Beef]

To start, let me start that I have no sympathy for incels. They are more fucking crazy than schizos. I believe the lot of them should be put down.

And I don't know if this counts as powerleveling, but there's a lot of common things that I've noticed that lolcows and I have in common, yet, brings to mind "why am I not a deluded sadsack" like them? Which I'd like to make my first point off of: being an incel is done out of choice.

I'm not going to entirely blame society. I'm not going to entirely blame the current progress of technology. Incels have fucked up priorities and made incredibly shitty choices. There's plenty of shit to blame society and technology for, but if it's for incels, that's all on them.

I agree with a lot of things other farmers have said. Vapid shit is common place nowadays, twisted extremes of beauty and aesthetic are venerated to an unhealthy, materialistic degree, "romance" has been bastardized by overt materialistic possessions, there is little love of what is "natural". At the same time, have any incels rebelled or thought to not participate in this shit?

That's what cracks me up. "Involuntarily Celibate". Maybe the fact is that they're "incels" because they're competing in horseshit that doesn't really fucking matter in the first place, and that if something's values/priorities are fucked up, then maybe you shouldn't participate in them in the first place.

IF there's something I'd like to blame about society, it's the fact that society or their families or whatever fed into them the shit they bought, like "the ideal life" or the "true American way" or whatever fucky normalfaggoty conformist horseshit they've been eating the last years of their lives, and thought they'd get a prize at the end of the tunnel. But at the same time, they're the ones who never realized the first sign of shit going south and never thought to get out while they could.

And I agree, people do need spirituality and religion in their lives. This fake construct of a world of instant gratification makes it one of overt unhealthy competition for a wider reality where life doesn't work like that. And I'm not a guy for doomposting or being some fucktard prophet on the street corner, but do not hang out with the so-called powerful or those chosen to be in charge, because if they can't pin the blame you if you're near, they'll sure be happy to use you to cushion the blows when everyone has had enough of their fuckery. They always make their beds, and they always get to sleep in them.

tl;dr incels are stupid dumbass motherfuckers. If "survival of the fittest" is in play, they're all weak ass meat.

 

[Wesley Willis]

The very fact that Keeping Up With The Kardashians even got as much viewership as it did (and still does?) is disturbing. The common culture of today encourages being a trashy, crass idiot who doesn't contribute jack shit.

The first run of show ended two years ago amid the pandemic and cable TV dying. It got no streams on Peacock (Comcast owns E!), so they recently revived the show on Hulu, which has 3 million less subscribers than Peacock at this point. No one cares about the show, it's a vanity project for mentally ill celebutards at this point. If the Kardashians weren't influencers, their careers would have ended a long time ago. That's why they are still around.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

There is an inherent imbalance in power between male and female relationships in a society that does not permit rape. Women are choosy with men to increase their evolutionary success. And men are powerful and capable of raping and killing women to increase their evolutionary success.

I am not saying that we should legalize or tolerate rape, but I am saying that men are in a lose-lose situation and there is no hope.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

"Let it fester"? It's not like schizophrenia, or meth heads, or something. Back in my day, guys who couldn't get laid were just called losers/virgins, laughed at, and forgotten.

It's not like society has a vested interest in whether or not everyone gets laid.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

The problem is that "incel" is a pretty nebulous term.
How much effort does a person have to put in without getting any to be considered an incel?

I know for sure there are a lot of guys out there who aren't getting laid not because there's no women anywhere who'd sleep with them, but simply because they're incapable of maintaining a serious relationship and don't like the idea of pursuing casual sex with people they have little or no emotional attachment to.

Even most angry, self-identified incels could probably scrape together enough money to afford a prostitute once in a while, but they don't for a variety of reasons. Are they still incels then, or are they "volcels"?

There are people who are nominally in relationships, but they have a dissatisfying and almost non-existent sex life. Do they count as incels?

There are a lot of issues surrounding forming relationships and families, but ultimately the entire concept of the incel thing is just pretty dumb and usually has remarkably little to do with sex, which is stupid to treat as a binary entity to begin with.

I wracked my brain for a whole day after reading "women don't have personalities" to understand what life circumstances he had that caused him to come up with that, and my only theory now is that he's too goddamn autistic to see most people as human beings and his theory of mind is shit.

Well women can often be less aggressive about exerting their personality, and they tend to be more socially suggestible meaning they can often wind up going along with what other people are saying and doing which can read as them not having an independent personality.

Obviously not all women and that can apply to men and all that, but I think every dude's dealt with those women who have the personality of skim milk who just defer to you any time you say anything and have no interests or opinions of their own. To me that's a fairly unattractive feature, but I'm sure a lot of internet retards probably think that's trad and desirable or some shit.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Even most angry, self-identified incels could probably scrape together enough money to afford a prostitute once in a while, but they don't for a variety of reasons. Are they still incels then, or are they "volcels"?

I think incels will classify themselves as incels based on this, where some will say it's voluntary and others will say it doesn't matter, no one will sleep with prostitutes willingly for the most part since they're undesirables. I think Wizards are much harsher on no touching women ever, while incels seems to be a combination of hatred of more successful men, women that never meet their standards, and society who won't hand them high status on a platter.

People who just call any man frustrated with dating an incel has oversimplified things. It's better to call the men/women who say they are incels incels, and maybe the rest are just frustrated/depressed about dating, or are virgins with rage.

There are people who are nominally in relationships, but they have a dissatisfying and almost non-existent sex life. Do they count as incels?

I'm laughing at this possible scenario: "My bf/gf says we can't have sex yet until we hit the right time but they will sleep with the rest of the polycule just fine, wish it was my turn. But they said the rest of our polycule isn't special enough for anything but casual sex so it's actually a win guys!"

Obviously not all women and that can apply to men and all that, but I think every dude's dealt with those women who have the personality of skim milk who just defer to you any time you say anything and have no interests or opinions of their own. To me that's a fairly unattractive feature, but I'm sure a lot of internet retards probab

Yeah that's my other thought: wahmen do be more socially susceptible and it can really mute a person to always go with the flow or be a part of the group (then develop resentment for it and take it out on others like an asshat). It's totally understandable to not like that portion.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

The problem is that "incel" is a pretty nebulous term.
How much effort does a person have to put in without getting any to be considered an incel?

Incels have become a convenient scapegoat for the failure of something relating to women by journalists. Of course without any supporting evidence. Incel to them is just an insult that I read as "Turbo virgins LOL" from those smug fucks.

Every man on this planet was an incel by definition because they couldn't lose their virginity as soon as they wanted too.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I have no idea where dudes got the idea that a woman's personality doesn't matter. Let me tell you, from watching older family members in unhappy marriages bicker, you do NOT want to marry a woman who you're incompatible with. Both of you are going to either grow old and become bitter, angry, petty assholes towards each other, or you're going to get a messy divorce that nobody will benefit from. God help any children who get caught up in the middle of it all.

It's shocking how there are people, some on this very site, who think compatibility means nothing.

Yes, they are also self-confessed incels, and misogynists.

There is an inherent imbalance in power between male and female relationships in a society that does not permit rape. Women are choosy with men to increase their evolutionary success. And men are powerful and capable of raping and killing women to increase their evolutionary success.

I am not saying that we should legalize or tolerate rape, but I am saying that men are in a lose-lose situation and there is no hope.

This is one of them.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

It's shocking how there are people, some on this very site, who think compatibility means nothing.

Yes, they are also self-confessed incels, and misogynists.

This is one of them.

Indeed. I do hate women. And women deserve it.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

There is an inherent imbalance in power between male and female relationships in a society that does not permit rape.

There's also an inherent imbalance in power between male and female relationships in a society that does.

Maybe it has to do with men and women not being equal beyond ontology.

Maybe it's a feature of relationships in general being unequal because of the priorities, assets, and deficits of each party involved.

It's not like society has a vested interest in whether or not everyone gets laid.

They do when it's time to shit on you when you're not doing what they want.

 

[The Foxtrot]

To start, let me start that I have no sympathy for incels. They are more fucking crazy than schizos. I believe the lot of them should be put down.

And I don't know if this counts as powerleveling, but there's a lot of common things that I've noticed that lolcows and I have in common, yet, brings to mind "why am I not a deluded sadsack" like them? Which I'd like to make my first point off of: being an incel is done out of choice.

I'm not going to entirely blame society. I'm not going to entirely blame the current progress of technology. Incels have fucked up priorities and made incredibly shitty choices. There's plenty of shit to blame society and technology for, but if it's for incels, that's all on them.

I agree with a lot of things other farmers have said. Vapid shit is common place nowadays, twisted extremes of beauty and aesthetic are venerated to an unhealthy, materialistic degree, "romance" has been bastardized by overt materialistic possessions, there is little love of what is "natural". At the same time, have any incels rebelled or thought to not participate in this shit?

That's what cracks me up. "Involuntarily Celibate". Maybe the fact is that they're "incels" because they're competing in horseshit that doesn't really fucking matter in the first place, and that if something's values/priorities are fucked up, then maybe you shouldn't participate in them in the first place.

IF there's something I'd like to blame about society, it's the fact that society or their families or whatever fed into them the shit they bought, like "the ideal life" or the "true American way" or whatever fucky normalfaggoty conformist horseshit they've been eating the last years of their lives, and thought they'd get a prize at the end of the tunnel. But at the same time, they're the ones who never realized the first sign of shit going south and never thought to get out while they could.

And I agree, people do need spirituality and religion in their lives. This fake construct of a world of instant gratification makes it one of overt unhealthy competition for a wider reality where life doesn't work like that. And I'm not a guy for doomposting or being some fucktard prophet on the street corner, but do not hang out with the so-called powerful or those chosen to be in charge, because if they can't pin the blame you if you're near, they'll sure be happy to use you to cushion the blows when everyone has had enough of their fuckery. They always make their beds, and they always get to sleep in them.

tl;dr incels are stupid dumbass motherfuckers. If "survival of the fittest" is in play, they're all weak ass meat.

I couldn't agree more. Most "incels" are just idiots who are mad at the world that they weren't born into status/wealth, resenting the system they think failed them, while not realizing they don't have to play this shitty game in the first place.
That, and they completely lack self-awareness when it comes to desirability. They never think to themselves "Gee, why would a woman want to date me or let me fuck her? I smell like I've never bathed in my life, I have no job, I dress like a child/crackhead, I have no social skills, and I live with my parents.", but they have these insanely unrealistic standards for what they profess to be their "perfect woman".

The first run of show ended two years ago amid the pandemic and cable TV dying. It got no streams on Peacock (Comcast owns E!), so they recently revived the show on Hulu, which has 3 million less subscribers than Peacock at this point. No one cares about the show, it's a vanity project for mentally ill celebutards at this point. If the Kardashians weren't influencers, their careers would have ended a long time ago. That's why they are still around.

I was just using that as an example of the sort of shit society these days holds up on a pedestal.

The problem is that "incel" is a pretty nebulous term.
How much effort does a person have to put in without getting any to be considered an incel?

I know for sure there are a lot of guys out there who aren't getting laid not because there's no women anywhere who'd sleep with them, but simply because they're incapable of maintaining a serious relationship and don't like the idea of pursuing casual sex with people they have little or no emotional attachment to.

Even most angry, self-identified incels could probably scrape together enough money to afford a prostitute once in a while, but they don't for a variety of reasons. Are they still incels then, or are they "volcels"?

There are people who are nominally in relationships, but they have a dissatisfying and almost non-existent sex life. Do they count as incels?

There are a lot of issues surrounding forming relationships and families, but ultimately the entire concept of the incel thing is just pretty dumb and usually has remarkably little to do with sex, which is stupid to treat as a binary entity to begin with.


Well women can often be less aggressive about exerting their personality, and they tend to be more socially suggestible meaning they can often wind up going along with what other people are saying and doing which can read as them not having an independent personality.

Obviously not all women and that can apply to men and all that, but I think every dude's dealt with those women who have the personality of skim milk who just defer to you any time you say anything and have no interests or opinions of their own. To me that's a fairly unattractive feature, but I'm sure a lot of internet retards probably think that's trad and desirable or some shit.

At this point, I personally take the term "incel" as merely a gutter-level insult. Someone calling you an "incel" has the same meaning as "racist" in my mind's eye ; it's a meaningless insult usually thrown out as a complete diversion from the original conversation.

As far as what I think actually constitutes an "involuntary celibate", I think of someone like Elliot Roger. He had the looks, he had money and status (which incels worship), but not even that was enough to compensate for the fact that he was an entitled little shithead who didn't know how to treat other people. He wanted a woman as a status symbol, not as a partner or even easy sex. For him (and actual incels), not being married or in a relationship with a woman is seen as a "fail state" in their lives. For them, I think, it's the simple state of being a "boyfriend" or "husband" to a woman that they're chasing, mixed in with some sexual frustration. And when they can't get their deserved! status symbol wife/girlfriend, they lash out at the people around them and Society(TM) for not giving it to them.

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

Indeed. I do hate women. And women deserve it.

I'm going to waste my time and give you some advice.

You say most women don't meet your standard these days (not prepared to commit to raising a family). That still means not all. There are some. You might even meet one, stranger things have happened.

When you do, if you are in this "I hate women" mindset, this woman is going to smell that on you. She isn't going to like it. It might well chase her off.

I think the best thing to do is just not focus on women, for now. Don't let those thoughts poison your mind, because even if what you think is true, it's unhealthy to fixate on it.