Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Romulus augustulus]

Based on the parts involved I think it was put together in the 1980s when the A2 was the new hotness and owners were more amenable to its grip over the A1. The A2 had so much interest that Colt's early SP2s were basically just SP1s with A2 furniture and A2 profile barrels, with the same upper and lower as the SP1, until they updated the forgings.
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IIRC Pauls M16 was one of those SP1's w/ A2 furniture.

A little Ruger history:

Military contracts and Ruger are not often mentioned in the same sentence. But Ruger did receive several contracts with various nations such as: The United states, The united kingdom, France, Germany, Iraq and Rhodesia (by proxy) to name a few.

I'll only high light a US contract in this post:

In 1977, the DOD put out a tender for a new revolver to replace worn out S&W model 10 revolvers of WW2 vintage. I can't find a history of all the bidders but Ruger ended up winning. and the DOD placed an initial order for 6,500 police service-six revolvers in .38 special with 4 inch barrels and designated these the M108. Further orders were placed for 2 1/2 inch barreled variants of the M108 and another variant of the serivice-six was purchased chambered in 9x19 NATO in the mid 1980s and was designated the M109 revolver. Information on the M109 is very scarce. I can't even find a NSN on it. As far as i know these are the last revolvers the US military purchased for general issue.
See the 4 inch variants here:

As far as i know the DOD still retains these guns. The paper trail can be followed to October 2022 in the US Navy and april 2023 in the US army. the trail runs cold in the USMC in 1989.

There are some of these guns out in the civilian world. It's assumed they are contract overruns.

 

[DocAwe]

the BEV block has a steel barrel extension insert for the locking lugs and also takes up space on the interior of the upper receiver. it's not the hinge pin taking all the force.

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I have a BEV block and it works rather well.

 

[Marvin]

So I'm a few months into a project, trying to build a Ruger 10/22 with my sister as a birthday present.

Jesus Christ I hate the legal bullshit, especially in Maryland.

So I was careful to buy a 10/22 receiver that had a rifle gun identity (like a gender identity for guns), not a pistol, so it should've been considered a rifle coming in. Except no, receivers are treated basically as pistols so I had to go through the whole background check nonsense and the 7 day waiting period anyway.

(Which frankly makes more sense than having identical receivers treated differently depending on what you intend to build it into. But still, that was a surprise from what I thought the law was. I think it might actually be that way for ARs, but ARs get funny here in all kinds of ways in their own right.)

Anyway, got my transfer of the receiver done. Got all the parts. I spilled the beans to my sister about what her birthday present was going to be, I'm terrible at keeping secrets.

I think we're going to finally sit down and build it together sometime this week. Should be really fun!

Ahead of that, I'm just looking at what the paperwork to transfer it to her would look like. Yes, apparently I do have to do paperwork to gift a long gun here. Or maybe it's that it's a receiver again. Idk I didn't follow the logic when my FFL explained it to me.

But that transfer shouldn't be too difficult. I hope. If I understand it correctly, I should be able to just fill out a form with her IRL and we don't need to visit the state police or anything.



So the wording of this is making me sweat. Why the fuck are they suddenly using past tense with the gift option?

"I received the firearm as a gift." The fuck? If you received it, and that apparently wasn't a crime, then why the hell do you need to fill out this form?

I really try to be educated on the insane labyrinthine legal landscape to guns. I generally do my research. But no matter how hard I try, there's always new ways to be surprised.

I'm sure this is nothing and I'm just sweating about nothing. Still gay and nerve wracking.

And ultimately (and the reason I'm writing this bitchy post) is that: none of this shit moves the needle on gun crime. Not one fucking bit.

There's no fucking Tyrone in Baltimore or Cletus in Brooklyn, MD (gotta be inclusive ) who pauses before committing a murder or robbery and goes "oh no... but my cousin didn't fill out the paperwork properly before handing me this gun I'm using to fucking murder someone"

That's never fucking happened.

There's ~300 murders a year in Baltimore and these faggots are busy worrying about my stupid 3d printed receivers. They're all frauds and I hope they fucking choke.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Jesus Christ I hate the legal bullshit, especially in Maryland.

IIRC when I bought stripped lower receivers in California, they were required to sell me a gun lock with it.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Maryland.

Man, i had to go into Maryland a few times during my time in D.C and the smell of oppressively retarded politics hung in the air almost as much as it does inside the beltway.

not a fan.

 

[Marvin]

Man, i had to go into Maryland a few times during my time in D.C and the smell of oppressively retarded politics hung in the air almost as much as it does inside the beltway.

not a fan.

It's my home state and I love it, but I'm definitely aware it's deeply flawed. And none of that love extends to its government.

The government is incredibly retarded.

Gun-wise, as retarded as some of Maryland's laws are, most of them are really poorly thought up and implemented. (In a good way sometimes.)

Like for example, we have a mag limit. Except it only covers purchases or transfers. I legit just go down to that gun show near DC every so often to stock up on all the 25 round magazines and literally walk them over the border legally.

Or their attempt at banning the AR was completely retarded. Owning a 5.56 AR is supposed to be banned here, unless you have a "heavy barrel", which is not defined in statute. You pretty much just buy a barrel advertised as HBAR, keep the receipt, and you're good to go.

MD wants to larp as some of the more maliciously anti-gun places like CA and NY, but they never quite pull it off.

Most of my bitching about our gun laws is how much of a pain in the ass they are, even though ultimately there are loopholes you can drive a truck through.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

It's my home state and I love it, but I'm definitely aware it's deeply flawed. And none of that love extends to its government.

The government is incredibly retarded.

Gun-wise, as retarded as some of Maryland's laws are, most of them are really poorly thought up and implemented. (In a good way sometimes.)

Like for example, we have a mag limit. Except it only covers purchases or transfers. I legit just go down to that gun show near DC every so often to stock up on all the 25 round magazines and literally walk them over the border legally.

Or their attempt at banning the AR was completely retarded. Owning a 5.56 AR is supposed to be banned here, unless you have a "heavy barrel", which is not defined in statute. You pretty much just buy a barrel advertised as HBAR, keep the receipt, and you're good to go.

MD wants to larp as some of the more maliciously anti-gun places like CA and NY, but they never quite pull it off.

Most of my bitching about our gun laws is how much of a pain in the ass they are, even though ultimately there are loopholes you can drive a truck through.

I'm lucky i was on the Virginia side so i didn't have to worry about any of that shit.

 

[AGPinochet]

VSK-94

don't know what's going on here, It's a Val, being held by Konstantin Lazarev, but it doesn't have the associated (and very poorly designed) suppressor. Val modified to act as an SR-3? Super short "Moderator", BFA? (I've never even heard of such a thing)

There has been another instance



*Double feeds* *FTE's* *FTF's* *bursts into flames like the flaming bag of dogshit it is*



Honestly kind of amazed about two things
1. Flamethrowers haven't been banned by a 435/100-0 margin to score easy political points
2. Footage hasn't come out of a hoodrat literally " lighting up the opps"
Eventually some psycho is going to get ahold of one and do a flaming family annihilation or burn down his cul-de-sac


Quad


There's a guy on Arfcom making his own beloved upper to cope with the death of his father. Thread is full of concepts for custom lengthened receivers shops other stuff

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/LIMA-6-Build-Thread-ar15-belt-fed-upper-UPDATE-IN-OP/65-551641/?page=1

He says he has manufacturers willing to work with him



The thread also altered me to the existence of a Company called Cryostructure and their belt fed project which they claim will be out by the end of this year

They already offer beltfed specific lowers in both single and dual feed (that is, accepting both SAW Drums and mags) in both Firearm and 80% configurations


BB15 3D Printed AR Bullpup conversion


Printed .22lr MP5 Mag


.22 mag/.17 HMR AR upper conversion


In his latest video, at 13:05, Max Popneker showcases the gas system of the STM-415 5.45 AR Style rifle (which is the piston version of the DI STM-545)
Strange as it has a short length of gas tube that funnels gas to the piston

A guy who kind of looks like Ivan Loomis of kit Badger if he was the co-owner of a niche holster company wants to sell you a side folding stockk for your SKS

 

[Legato]

Am I the only one who thinks the MP7 looks like shit? So many guns can do a better job in that role, and dont look like garbage. FA not withstanding.

 

[Samhain]

Am I the only one who thinks the MP7 looks like shit? So many guns can do a better job in that role, and dont look like garbage. FA not withstanding.

I think it looks cool, but that's probably because it reminds me of an UZI. The caliber itself is a bit goofy though, and a product of its time. Modern 9mm hollow points perform well enough for PDW purposes. Of course, .300 BLK shorties offer much better terminal ballistics, at the cost of extra weight. A Sig Rattler with a full 30 round magazine is almost double the weight of an MP7 with a full 40 round magazine.

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

Am I the only one who thinks the MP7 looks like shit? So many guns can do a better job in that role, and dont look like garbage. FA not withstanding.

What PDW type subguns are better for the role? The P90? The MP9?

 

[Legato]

What PDW type subguns are better for the role? The P90? The MP9?

Kel Tec P50.

nuf said.

 

[Seafarer]

2. Footage hasn't come out of a hoodrat literally " lighting up the opps"

This reminds me of a story about a rapper who ended up getting a charge for “firing a missile into an occupied dwelling” or something like that that was used to boost his street cred and made everyone think he was a badass firing RPGs to blow up his opp’s houses. Turns out that the charge (think it was in Florida) used the very literal definition of a “missile” simply meaning a projectile, and he actually got the charge just because he threw a rock at someone’s house.

 

[Club Sandwich]

The K vs normal MP5 differences only matter for handguards and stocks/braces. The K and fullsize MP5 patterns use different buttplate geometry. There are a few MP5K clone manufacturers like POF (the Pakistanis) that make a mullet gun, short in the front, full size in the rear.

or also known as a "reverse stretch".

As far as i know the DOD still retains these guns. The paper trail can be followed to October 2022 in the US Navy and april 2023 in the US army. the trail runs cold in the USMC in 1989.

these were primarily MP and SP weapons, and sometimes retained by air crews or brown water units as a backup when 1911's was still a general issue weapon. no mags, moon clips, and depending on model you can use police issue .38 (the M10 and M15), military .45 ACP (with moon clips, not common but these did exist as the M1917 was used through Vietnam and still had a place in extremely limited roles), and the "new" 9x19mm (again with moon clips). in the 30's up through to the 80's an MP that didn't have a 1911 probably had a revolver of some type, and since the 1911 was still issued regularly and MP's were typically rear echelon, the MP's got leftovers mostly (stateside base guards, standing watch at a pier or warehouse or airfield, et c) except those that were overseas in an active combat zone.

 

[mrfresh]

Eventually some psycho is going to get ahold of one and do a flaming family annihilation or burn down his cul-de-sac

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covina_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne_school_massacre

https://youtu.be/GsUg4V7s9o4?

 

[The Dude]

Aside from added armor penetration, I just never got the appeal of PDW type weapons like the MP7 and P90. I've heard stories that their ability to stop a bad guy is worse than a typical pistol round, where it essentially took a full mag from a P90 to put a threat down unarmored. I definitely think the P90 looks cooler than the MP7 (and I'm a massive HK fan) to the point where I once owned one of the older PS90s years back, but if given the choice I think I'd much rather have a B&T TP9/MP9. I think that's one of the best SMG style weapons on the market, especially when you factor in the suppressor. It's compact, lightweight, reliable, and a proven design at this point.

 

[Thornforg]

It's a shame Springfield Trapdoor reproductions are so fucking expensive. I've been wanting one for a while but can't really justify $2,500 for a single shot .45-70 right now without selling something else and I loathe to sell one gun to buy another. The Taylor 26" officer model is just so attractive though.

 

[BikeLock]

What PDW type subguns are better for the role? The P90? The MP9?

The real question should be: Why has the development of PDW's that can punch through armor stopped at the P90/MP7?

SBRs are why.

HK hasn't even made a companion pistol to the MP7.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

My Kel-Tec Sub 2000 had the charging handle break off during shooting, just sheared straight down in the base and thumped me in the chest while ejecting a round. Was able to jam it in to at least clear the firearm and lock it open, but was EXTREMELY disappointed as I have gone to bat for Kel Tec before since my Sub 2000 had been rock solid prior to that. Joke is on me, because my PMR 30 had the sight fall off too... from fucking .22 magnum, and I never even carried the damn thing. I have the Sub 2000 back now but I am heavily considering just selling both and getting the S&W knock offs of both the firearms. Or just writing off .22 mag entirely and using the money to save for one of my dream guns. Good lesson learned on not cheaping out on firearms, I suppose. Guess all the memes about Kel Tec trashcan guns wasn't just Fudd whining.

Lol. More like saving properly and just being worried about the future but yeah.

Found out when I got the ammo that Winchester gets its 7.62x39mm from Serbia, that's where it says it's made on the box along with "PPU" on the inside. Either good or bad in terms of non magnetic, I've gotten non magnetic copper jackets from Serbia for my SKS, and the jacket looks copper at least, so it should be gtg.

Also I hate this box:
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It's filled my ammo can where if it was the typical square boxes I'd still have room. Sigh. Guess I just get another one lol. The SKS hungers for food.

Bro they're just repackaging and marking up fucking PPU ammo hahahaha. Just buy PPU and save yourself some money! They make good ammo, if a little underpowered for what I would prefer. Also I agree that I love 7.62x39, it's a fantastic cartridge and doesn't get enough love just because filthy communists made it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Bro they're just repackaging and marking up fucking PPU ammo hahahaha. Just buy PPU and save yourself some money! They make good ammo, if a little underpowered for what I would prefer. Also I agree that I love 7.62x39, it's a fantastic cartridge and doesn't get enough love just because filthy communists made it.

I mean that is a option lol. But yeah. 7.62x39mm is based. It took the west decades to make a proper clone. I like me my barrier penetration, simple as.