Do you think Phil is actually depressed?

[Mannlicher]

Apart from his standard ego, immaturity and narcissism issues, pigroach is too deep in sunk cost fallacy to give up on his "business" and "legacy". He really should've given up on this "career" YEARS ago when it became apparent that the gravy train was over

 

[WeeblesWobble]

tfw a furry can give DSP good advice that he's never going to follow or listen to:
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http://archive.fo/wFVeb

It's sad that his fans don't understand that Phil absolutely needs to at least consider hanging it up. Yes, he makes decent money but is he happy? Obviously not.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

Phil has always struck me as a guy who has legitimate mental health problems. How he behaves and he views other people are indicators of it. Just examine videos like the medical vlog or when John Rambo and Howard talked about him. Everything always has to revolve around him, no one else can be the top priority besides Phil. He's always the most important person, and the mastermind behind everything. When he tells stories of interactions with people, everyone is either an idiot who has no idea what they are doing or is out to get Phil. No one is ever nice to Phil in his stories, people are always patronizing, belittling, condescending or talking down to him. Everyone is just jealous of his success or are out to ruin him in some way.

As for depression, that's a tough one. I don't know if Phil's massive ego and "blame everyone but me" attitude could even allow for him to be depressed. That said, it's truly hard to look at his life and say he's not depressed.

His "job" is in ruins, and his finances are terrible to the point that he's already arrived at the stage where he's going to have legal problems arise from them. He has no friends, no true companion (Kat is likely just another gold digger) and no one that truly cares about him. He spends most of his time inside his house, playing video games he isn't good at and that only frustrate him to no end. He never exercises, and he always eats shit that is terrible for both your physical and mental health. He has no hobbies, no activities that bring him joy and he gets angry over the stupidest of things.

And on top of it all, he has to spend everyday of his life as a internet lolcow. He knows that there is a mob of people online that just hate him and want to make a laughingstock out of him. And he knows they are going to succeed at it.

No matter what he does, no matter how much he tries to stop them and no matter how much "sympathy" he receives when something legitimately bad happens to him, his haters are going to continue to use his content as fodder to make videos that expose him for the rage-filled idiot, asshole and just unlikable person he is.

Would anyone be able to avoid depression if they had to live Phil's life?

 

[DarkSoulsPhil]

He is not depressed. He might feel sad that he is alone, but he brought all of that on himself. He likely has other issues, none of which he can monetise (unlike depression as we saw)

 

[ZehnBoat]

i do like that phil has given us an out

according to him, we're all mentally ill
obviously we're all depressed, and the voices in our heads tell us to do stupid things like laugh at the gouty clown
therefore we are absolved of everything we do here
NOTHING WE COULD DO!

 

[Scotsman]

Phil is a narcissist. He probably thinks that feeling a wee bit sad is depression, and everyone should feel sorry for him.

 

[Mannlicher]

Assuming that he legit has depression, surely it's only going to get worse as time goes on? I mean, for how long does he think this 'job" is going to last? Well into his 40s, let alone 50s or 60s?

If I were him and at the age of the 55 (or heck, 45) I'd be reflecting back on what it is I have to show for my online "legacy" I've had for decades and trying my darnedest not to tie a noose fashioned out of a belt or electrical cord around my neck, provided I even make that far without having already done so.

 

[Ruthless54]

Phil has always struck me as a guy who has legitimate mental health problems. How he behaves and he views other people are indicators of it. Just examine videos like the medical vlog or when John Rambo and Howard talked about him. Everything always has to revolve around him, no one else can be the top priority besides Phil. He's always the most important person, and the mastermind behind everything. When he tells stories of interactions with people, everyone is either an idiot who has no idea what they are doing or is out to get Phil. No one is ever nice to Phil in his stories, people are always patronizing, belittling, condescending or talking down to him. Everyone is just jealous of his success or are out to ruin him in some way.

As for depression, that's a tough one. I don't know if Phil's massive ego and "blame everyone but me" attitude could even allow for him to be depressed. That said, it's truly hard to look at his life and say he's not depressed.

His "job" is in ruins, and his finances are terrible to the point that he's already arrived at the stage where he's going to have legal problems arise from them. He has no friends, no true companion (Kat is likely just another gold digger) and no one that truly cares about him. He spends most of his time inside his house, playing video games he isn't good at and that only frustrate him to no end. He never exercises, and he always eats shit that is terrible for both your physical and mental health. He has no hobbies, no activities that bring him joy and he gets angry over the stupidest of things.

And on top of it all, he has to spend everyday of his life as a internet lolcow. He knows that there is a mob of people online that just hate him and want to make a laughingstock out of him. And he knows they are going to succeed at it.

No matter what he does, no matter how much he tries to stop them and no matter how much "sympathy" he receives when something legitimately bad happens to him, his haters are going to continue to use his content as fodder to make videos that expose him for the rage-filled idiot, asshole and just unlikable person he is.

Would anyone be able to avoid depression if they had to

Phil has always struck me as a guy who has legitimate mental health problems. How he behaves and he views other people are indicators of it. Just examine videos like the medical vlog or when John Rambo and Howard talked about him. Everything always has to revolve around him, no one else can be the top priority besides Phil. He's always the most important person, and the mastermind behind everything. When he tells stories of interactions with people, everyone is either an idiot who has no idea what they are doing or is out to get Phil. No one is ever nice to Phil in his stories, people are always patronizing, belittling, condescending or talking down to him. Everyone is just jealous of his success or are out to ruin him in some way.

As for depression, that's a tough one. I don't know if Phil's massive ego and "blame everyone but me" attitude could even allow for him to be depressed. That said, it's truly hard to look at his life and say he's not depressed.

His "job" is in ruins, and his finances are terrible to the point that he's already arrived at the stage where he's going to have legal problems arise from them. He has no friends, no true companion (Kat is likely just another gold digger) and no one that truly cares about him. He spends most of his time inside his house, playing video games he isn't good at and that only frustrate him to no end. He never exercises, and he always eats shit that is terrible for both your physical and mental health. He has no hobbies, no activities that bring him joy and he gets angry over the stupidest of things.

And on top of it all, he has to spend everyday of his life as a internet lolcow. He knows that there is a mob of people online that just hate him and want to make a laughingstock out of him. And he knows they are going to succeed at it.

No matter what he does, no matter how much he tries to stop them and no matter how much "sympathy" he receives when something legitimately bad happens to him, his haters are going to continue to use his content as fodder to make videos that expose him for the rage-filled idiot, asshole and just unlikable person he is.

Would anyone be able to avoid depression if they had to live Phil's life?

Labeling kat a gold digger isnt really fair. Phil sold her a bill of goods by flying her back and forth to spend time with her, and showering her with gifts last winter. After the SoK collapsed, it seems he probably started laying it on real thick to her, and she was in such a bad spot, she was easily manipulated into hitching her wagon onto the DSP Express.
Phil took the SoK demise as the all clear on the worst of the worst when it comes to negative effects on his business. I dont care what anyone says, there is no way Kat was not aware of the content of constant begging and spilling his personal financial problems to the whole world. He was just able to convince her he was about to turn the corner, and has learned from his past.
There was no gold to be dug, the drano gargling debt was there for all to see. She was just a girl in a bad situation looking for something to break her way.

 

[GnomeofDoc]

We really can’t tell. But that’s what this site is for uniformed speculation! To really know we would have to see Phil when he isn’t in “Streamer” mode. Otherwise all we get is what he wants us to see or what he wants to look like to his fans and the internet. This would require him to talk about his depression more then once a year to get the facts straight and get the storyline going.

Without a professional meeting with him once a week with us Kiwi Farm Psychological Help™ only then can we cut through all of his conjecture and get to the core of what is causing his depression.

 

[neger psykolog]

Phil is a narcissist. He probably thinks that feeling a wee bit sad is depression, and everyone should feel sorry for him.

The problem with this is that narcissism and many mental health disorders are closely tied to or co-morbid with depression.

Supposing he has some other disorder then he may be separately diagnosed as having depression or the underlying disorder might be causing the depression.

There's a whole lot of argument over comorbidity but its worth reading into if you actually believe he has narcissistic personality disorder (as in diagnosed by a doctor) and not just saying "he's pretty narcissistic"). There's a big difference between those because most people have narcissism to some extent, some people have it a bit more and very few actually have it as a disorder.

Also there is "Acquired Situational Narcissism" which I don't think is officially diagnosed at this stage but may be more appropriate when you consider what DSP's life is like (basically that his narcissism is more a development of becoming "famous"). For that to be the case you'd have to ask yourself if he has become more narcissistic over time, which I would say he has:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/russalanprince/2016/11/28/what-is-acquired-situational-narcissism

 

[Lurkette]

The problem with this is that narcissism and many mental health disorders are closely tied to or co-morbid with depression.

Supposing he has some other disorder then he may be separately diagnosed as having depression or the underlying disorder might be causing the depression.

There's a whole lot of argument over comorbidity but its worth reading into if you actually believe he has narcissistic personality disorder (as in diagnosed by a doctor) and not just saying "he's pretty narcissistic"). There's a big difference between those because most people have narcissism to some extent, some people have it a bit more and very few actually have it as a disorder.

Also there is "Acquired Situational Narcissism" which I don't think is officially diagnosed at this stage but may be more appropriate when you consider what DSP's life is like (basically that his narcissism is more a development of becoming "famous"). For that to be the case you'd have to ask yourself if he has become more narcissistic over time, which I would say he has:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/russalanprince/2016/11/28/what-is-acquired-situational-narcissism

Yeah, psychology is fucking complicated, with many disorders only have slight differences (for example, depression and dysthmia, think I spelled it right, basically are only different in the length of time you persistently feel depressed.) So its impossible to definitively diagnose him unless one of us was a counselor/psychiatrist that talked to him for at least six months (usual amont of time symptoms have to persist to get any number of diagnoses.)

I'm listening to the black d00d talk over his depression vid (first time hearing it) and I just want to say his "cocktail of meds in high school" story set off MASSIVE alarm bells in my mind. "Cocktail", to me, means three or more. I'm struggling to think of any mental disorders that require more then one medication (bi-polar comes to mind but I'm not 100% on that...ADHD and autism usually require only one med. Anxiety is one med. I mean they might give more then one to treat different symptoms if the single pill doesnt work, but I'm not aware of instances where it was three or more. Not a professional, just a sociopath/aspiring psychologist, so I could be way off. Might ask my mother about this, she was a clinical counselor and pharmacy tech.) Anyway, my point is either he's lying (gasp) or his cocktail was for physical reasons. And I'm 93% sure he is BULLSHITTING on the pills changing his personality. How you act when you're depressed is part of your personality; some cut, some drink, some exercise, some binge Netflix. Some try to keep a happy attitude, others turn emo. That 7% margin of error is because I don't know what pills he was on, and there may very well be meds that alter your brain chemistry in that way.

Tevin commented on cutting friends off due to depression, that is a common symptom js.

"Pills don't cure it" it depends on the person. Some can be weaned off meds eventually, some need meds to mitigate the worst of it for the rest of their life. On meds, usually (and once you find the right ones/it gets stabilized in your system), you can function completely normally. Its still there, but I've rarely seen people at that point in their lives bemoan their depression; they turn it into a positive (I know I can survive this, its made me stronger as a person, etc.) There's a large puhback to the Tumblr victim complex in the community, correctly stating that mental illness is not an excuse for shitty behavior. Depression fucks with your logic, and makes you bitchy/irritable/whiny/whatever, but you still have the ability to recognize what youre doing and try to avoid it. At the very least, you have the ability to sincerely apologize.

Eta: fuck autocorrect

 

[Dave]

I have a severe case of bipolar one and im constantly going through different combos of meds and each one is supposed to treat a symptom of the disorder. Usually with bipolar you need a mood elevator for depression and an antipsychotic for the actual mania part and of there is another symptom like i have a med to deal with that.

If Phil is saying he was on a cocktail there is one of three possibilities
1. He is lying (not a surprise here)
2. He had a diagnosis they gave him he is either hiding or completely ignorant about or
3. He's embellishing and counted every single medicine he was put on

I'm still in the process 5 years later of trying to find a medicine combo that works so 3 is a possibility (even though i know for a fact he was only on one med at a time or his doctor was just throwing prescriptions at it and hoping it helps) but im heavily swinging to option 1.

 

[AZ 594]

Yeah, psychology is fucking complicated, with many disorders only have slight differences (for example, depression and dysthmia, think I spelled it right, basically are only different in the length of time you persistently feel depressed.) So its impossible to definitively diagnose him unless one of us was a counselor/psychiatrist that talked to him for at least six months (usual amont of time symptoms have to persist to get any number of diagnoses.)

Doesn't stop the fun of speculation.

I think he might be depressed. Mild depression, and is more situational than as a result of an imbalance in the brain, but depression nonetheless. He's an instant gratification kind of guy, and constant misfortunes befalling him lately, well, would put him down for he can't see a light at the end of the tunnel and won't work to improve his shitty circumstances. No socialization, lack of exercise, working a job you hate, financial trouble, people on the internet fucking with you, I can see all that weighing down on him. The guy might act like a cunt to those with depression, but that doesn't rule out the fact that he might have it himself, maybe he's trying too hard to make a confident alpha male persona for himself as some coping mechanism, for everyone has different means for dealing with it.

Doesn't change the fact that he's milking this for all it's worth.

 

[Pubic Enemy #1]

If Phil really WAS on meds in high school, chances are the "cocktail" was just the usual process of trying out different drugs to see what works. As ever, Phil has to exaggerate to make things sound worse than they actually were. I do believe that he was on some form of medication at school, but I don't necessarily think they were for mental disorders knowing Phil. They could've been fucking acne pills.
I imagine all it takes is for him to read one paragraph of a clickbait article about TAKING MEDICATION UNDER 15 YEARS OLD MEANS YOU WILL DIE!!!!! or whatever and he'll immediately assume that he not only has depression, but it's because of the meds he was on, and that's the root of all his problems.
I maintain that Phil might be depressed about a lot of things in his life, but he doesn't have clinical depression like he's claiming. It was telling that the first line of his depression segment was about money. If he finds a few cucks to give him a few thousand dollars a day for the rest of his life, I bet his "depression" would clear right up.

 

[James Smith]

I was thinking about this last night as I drifted off to bed, hoping to god I wouldn't dream of fat Italian men as a result.

DSP talks about this little voice in the back of his head telling him he's a bad person, and DSP calls that voice depression.

DSP doesn't realize that's not depression; that's a conscience.

 

[Nurse Ratchet]

I was thinking about this last night as I drifted off to bed, hoping to god I wouldn't dream of fat Italian men as a result.

DSP talks about this little voice in the back of his head telling him he's a bad person, and DSP calls that voice depression.

DSP doesn't realize that's not depression; that's a conscience.

Or the only glimmer of self-awareness in his entire realm of existence.

Which, of course, he dismisses as anuthur deetraktur.

 

[Autistsforuganda]

Even if he was depressed, it's incredibly hard for me to show any sort of sympathy, considering all the bullshit he has pulled.

But no he isn't. People who have severe depression, are not capable of doing the things that phil does, because they just lack the energy and the will to actually do something like this, because they think "what's the point?"

Phil is trying to gain pity points as usual.

 

[Forbidden Math]

I do think Phil is actually depressed, however there is a massive difference between CLINICAL depression and just being sad because your life is a hollow mockery and you're an almost 40-year-old manchild who plays video games you hate all day while begging autistic children for money.

 

[Raven'sChild]

I might believe Dave if he managed to keep his stories straight just once. Okay, so 2018 it's a 'cocktail of meds from back in high school, stalking some girl and cutting off relations with someone...then the office job'. In 2014, it was 'living at home with no hope of getting gf and the office job he didn't like/feel appreciated at.' * Which one is true? Why needlessly embellish a pre-existing story that is on the Interweb for folks to find? I actually believe the 2014 story more because he holds eye contact with the camera for most of the video. Then again, we get another conflicting story. The 2014 story has Dave triumphing over his 'depression' by moving into his Conn. Condo, getting a gf and enjoying his new YT job ( $$$ ). The 2018 story is that he never got over it and falls into his SoulMaids arms overwrought/posting Twitter rants in the wee hours of the morning ( not the gin fueled jealousy talking, it's his 'depression' ) . His 2014 story is much like the 2018 one though in that it is not Depression in the clinical sense, but depression in the colloquial sense. The depression Everyone experiences from time to time not the debilitating, chemical imbalance that folks who legit 'did nothing wrong' get blind-sided by ( and cannot 'shake off by playing a game they enjoy' because they do NOT enjoy ANYTHING anymore!!!!!!111one ). The malaise that doesn't even offer one the chance to figure out why they feel or don't feel much less get up out of bed a few hours later and do an afternoon stream with lie in hand as to why they missed the morning one. The torpor that robs them of the ability to post rants on Twitter, so they self-harm to feel something, anything...unless they are Manic Depressive and, well...things happen ( Take those meds folks. Memories often wear rose-coloured glasses for a reason. The high might look good from the level playing field, but rarely ends well...). Lastly, Depression with the Big D is not something someone suffers from because of meds they no longer take some two decades later and even if by some fluke it is true ( now, but not in 2014 ) it is NOT something someone can suffer from while RELIGIOUSLY posting 20+ vids a day, 365 for ten years!!!!!!111one
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO2vebs1kxQ

 

[Haunter]

(I've been avoiding this thread. This Depression gambit Phil's pulling is one of those things a Lolcow will do every once in a while that gets under your normally Tard-resistant skin. Chris Chan apologizing to Jews and other ethnicities he'd maligned after learning he had some slight relation i.e. effected him personally, was another one ).

I think the crux that this angle of Phil's depends on is it's simplicity. Saying "I'm depressed" is easy. Phil doesn't have to go any deeper than that, like using vocabulary words.

This is exactly like his use of "Taxes". It's all-pervasive, completely out of Phil's control, and immediately graspable even to naive children.

His use of the single vocabulary word "Cocktail" is the used-car salesman speech he brings out when he pulls a con like this. To give just one example, a favourite of Phil's is "Sixty frames per second". Not "60 FPS", the informal acronym everyone uses. Since this is the only video game term Phil understands, despite needing to display an education in such a thing, he leans heavily on the multiple syllables to make himself seem informed.

I'm sure Phil does have some form of depression (at least %15 of the US population will be depressed at any given time). And there's really no reason for him not to be. His quality of life is miserable.

Again, this is like his omnipresent Tax burden. He probably does have a tax problem or some sort. The issue is his use of these things as tools for manipulation, and how he manipulates the truth of the issues themselves to conform to his current needs.