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Maybe not make your animated characters look like fucking shit!! For some reason Disney now hates pretty people and makes the ugliest characters I have ever seen. But to answer your question maybe they can go back to 2d animation and call it retro.
I don’t think they can, nor will they.

I cannot remember the exact video, or maybe even post here, I got the info from, but 2D is just dead. Many of the schools have phased it out completely other than likely flash animation. Companies also don’t want to switch thanks to the time consumption. 3D is more costly a medium, but the products are shit out faster, which is why all the movie studios use it, and I guess Nickelodeon with all their reboots. Any extra cost can be made up by releasing two-three movies in the span of one 2D.

Also want to talk about this:
I meant it as a "cursed hybrid", like they have wallace's nose fused into gromit head shape plus the overall roundness but i actually love W&G cause i (somehow) had the movie as a kid. W&G's artstyle is very unique claymation and the perfect mix of goofy and cute that looks great in motion, every scene you wonder how much fun the animators were having with it.

This modern style on the other hand looks soulless and even the "attractive characters" look extremely ugly. Everyone nowadays has noodle limbs and no shoulders, its like animators hate edges and didnt even try.

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As for the cal-arts style, it also seems to be dictated by current assembly-line bullshit. I got neg rated for it earlier, but it seems that the disgusting blob art style may be for cost cutting and time saving, or at least, that is what the Taxi-man claims when speaking to his connections. Blobs are apparently easier to animate, so artists go lazy to meet the deadlines of corporate, which, more than likely can’t give two shits anymore. This is really apparent in reboots, as Professor Utonium lost edges in the PPG reboot, and so did Joan in Clone High. Don’t know what deadlines and budgets were like back in the day, but they seem to just be getting progressively worse unless you are something like Puss In Boots.

As for why the industry is getting so budgeted, it’s because Bay-Formers and the MCU. These modern shit brands are basically giant cartoons, but they look real, so people take to them more seriously. As such, the need for animation has dwindled because now the toons can look real.
 
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For some reason I can't quote you. But if that's the case than animation is dead!!! And we are in hell now.
Yeah, shit is bad, at least in America. Comedies are basically the only thing animation is used for anymore because, again, MCU and Transformers killed action shows, along with people pirating anime, so western action cartoons couldn’t feed off their success like Toonami once provided. All of this comes from Pan’s video on Tron killing action cartoons btw.

Even past that though, I am sure the “live action” Lion King has highlighted to Disney to continue the remakes and similar films in that style, so not even classic animation is safe anymore. Hell, even Space Jam went for the “live action” gimmick with the Looney Tunes.

I honestly have no idea where this industry is heading anymore, but at least Puss provides some hope.
 
Yeah, shit is bad, at least in America. Comedies are basically the only thing animation is used for anymore because, again, MCU and Transformers killed action shows, along with people pirating anime, so western action cartoons couldn’t feed off their success like Toonami once provided. All of this comes from Pan’s video on Tron killing action cartoons btw.

Even past that though, I am sure the “live action” Lion King has highlighted to Disney to continue the remakes and similar films in that style, so not even classic animation is safe anymore. Hell, even Space Jam went for the “live action” gimmick with the Looney Tunes.

I honestly have no idea where this industry is heading anymore, but at least Puss provides some hope.
I remmber Pan's video explaining what happened to action cartoons and how Tron was basically the death nail. Yeah doesn't help that stuff like MCU is now a live action cartoon.

Didn't Lion King CGI get criticize so bad that they made Pinocchio more animated like because of it (not that it was any better mind you).
Puss in Boots does give some glimpse of hope you are right. But still as someone who used to be intrigue by animation in general my lost of interest in animation in recent years is a sad sight to behold. Doesn't help that current animators are mostly shitty tumbler creators.
 
Didn't Lion King CGI get criticize so bad that they made Pinocchio more animated like because of it (not that it was any better mind you).
I doubt Pinocchio really changed due to that. Why do it for Pinocchio, but not the new Little Mermaid that is coming out after it? I think the more likely answer is just that Disney treats their vfx teams like shit, and given this is Disney+ material, just had them shit it out as fast as possible.
 
I doubt Pinocchio really changed due to that. Why do it for Pinocchio, but not the new Little Mermaid that is coming out after it? I think the more likely answer is just that Disney treats their vfx teams like shit, and given this is Disney+ material, just had them shit it out as fast as possible.
Sounds realistic saddly.

Through I have hope for example my girlfriend doesn't look happy with the new little mermaid and mind you she's not a culture warrior of any kind and she even said she has a problem with them changing Ariel's color.

She like Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast. But she told me lately none of Disney live action remakes interested her and she hasn't seen the others.
 
Had to remind myself of this classic today, based on Garry Trudeau's famous strip...

The album released at the time's pretty kickin'...

Bonus, Trudeau still remembers!
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I cannot remember the exact video, or maybe even post here, I got the info from, but 2D is just dead. Many of the schools have phased it out completely other than likely flash animation. Companies also don’t want to switch thanks to the time consumption. 3D is more costly a medium, but the products are shit out faster, which is why all the movie studios use it, and I guess Nickelodeon with all their reboots. Any extra cost can be made up by releasing two-three movies in the span of one 2D.
For some reason I can't quote you. But if that's the case than animation is dead!!! And we are in hell now.
I honestly have no idea where this industry is heading anymore, but at least Puss provides some hope.
I honestly can't find any Western animated film, indie or professional, that interests me anymore (even on YouTube), and I think I can say the same for most guys, as the reason they look to anime is that anime is the only medium where shounen and seinen (meaning the audience is mainly for males) exist, since they are virtually non-existent in Western animation. A lot of Western men have either grown out of watching Western animation or were pushed out of the audience demographic Western animation is going towards, which is now predominantly women, troons, and beta males.

The list I put out for recommended Western indie animation to watch such as Astartes, TIE Fighter, Spall and Splinter, are literally one of the only animated films that I have enjoyed, mostly because of the violence, cinematography, immersion, and environmental storytelling, qualities that most Western animation have failed to achieve. I tried to look fucking everywhere on YouTube to find an animated film that is like this but now I have given up. I would also love historical dramas in animated form, but it's impossible to find something. The only cool indie animation I can even bother watching because the amount of effort given is LEGO stopmotions, but even then, gems are usually rare due to most stopmotions being too childish for my tastes.

Western animated movies and TV shows are self-explanatory. I have little interest watching low-quality children films (would like a more Tolkien-esque epic) that is dominant in so many industries that doesn’t feel like the old Pixar or old Dreamworks. TV animation is too woke and there is an obvious audience they’re going for and it’s definitely not me.

Most indie animation on YouTube nowadays are mainly done by women, and thus cater to the concept of cuteness, intelligence of the lowest denominator, and slice of life that they took from Miyazaki animes (I noticed it is mainly this and other cute anime films and not from Akira or Jin-Roh). Because of this, most indie animation is just either anthropomorphic shit or slice of life inserts that deals with the most simplest themes that is only befitting for a child. Other indie animation is just meme stuff or just not interested in telling a story. Plus, most of these animators are limited to certain areas of America, most of them liberal, so they, and the fans of Western animation, think almost alike.

I can say for sure that the animations put out by today's animators is no longer for me anymore. I am not in the audience demographic that the animators are going for, because I am not their self-inserts or whatever. I don't think I can find anything that I would enjoy anymore from today's Western animation even though I enjoyed so much of it in the past. It's whatever; I have downloaded an animation software app FlipAClip to start doing some 2D animations and I can share it on the Kiwi Farms just to show ideas that I would like in future animations. Right now though, I'm still trying to master drawing people and understand shading, which is a challenge.
 
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I'm nowhere near an expert on this shit, so take my irritated rant with a grain of salt, but this kind of constant clashing drives me up a wall and I needed to rant about it. There's Aardman influence here, but (again) it's like they saw an Aardman film once or twice, took its proportions and rounding of everything, tried to force their own realistic and anime shit into it, and then drew it with their usual CalArts style and expected it to work.
the word you're looking for is juxtaposition, and it's only part of the problem.
it's also done because a similar simplified background looks really bad - just look at every average for-tv cgi cartoon where a room is literally just a floor and walls, or outside is a green plane with a grass texture. most won't notice it at first, just that something "feels" off.

As for the cal-arts style, it also seems to be dictated by current assembly-line bullshit. I got neg rated for it earlier, but it seems that the disgusting blob art style may be for cost cutting and time saving, or at least, that is what the Taxi-man claims when speaking to his connections. Blobs are apparently easier to animate, so artists go lazy to meet the deadlines of corporate, which, more than likely can’t give two shits anymore.
you also don't need to be a good artist for it either, which is another aspect. so you can hire more and cheaper people for the assembly line. animation-wise you can get away with a lot more before it looks uncanny.

with shitty artists come also shitty writers, that's why everything western is infantilized as fuck. too many hacks with zero life experience and usually pussified twittertards (look at the average "villain" these days, it's beyond cringe).
 
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I thought Amber was overexaggerating earlier but what the fuck, this puberty shit really is everywhere now. Reading this summary, I think this is just going to terrify kids. I know if I saw something like this when I was little, at least, i'd get really scared of puberty.
Maybe if I was scared enough i'd try to find ways to prevent it.

...food for thought. *sigh*
What do millennials have with puberty? You become socially awkward for few years with some sudden changes in lifestyle and that's it. How are they so affected by it after a decade that they keep harping on it? Why even speak of it when everyone anyways experienced it?
 
Unfortunately "animation fans" are the biggest enemy to animation as a medium. There's all of these people who say they want animation to be taken seriously and that it should be treated as art but none of them, especially the loudest ones, ever want to promote anything that uplifts the medium and proves its strengths, instead they keep putting the most mediocre, disposable slop, the grayest extruded cartoon-like product at the fore.

None of these people talk about any sort of interesting or boundary pushing works. They don't even talk about the surface level cool works that, while they didn't push boundaries, were still cool. They talk about fuckin' The Owl House, Craig of the Creek or Bluey. There's animation for children, and then there's childish animation, and the latter is what seems to occupy the time of the "Animation is for Everyone/Animation is Cinema" crowd.
I made a tweet that was "Animation is cinema" and all I did was replace all the childrens shit with more adult animation and it got some traction but the not the traction those tweets usually get if they put bluey or owl house
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animation niggas will say that they want animation to be treated with respect but they always give either gay shit attention or things obviously meant for children attention and will rarely give any adult animation that isn't Rick and Morty, Inside Job, or any other adult cartoon of the week that looks like R&M.


TLDR: you want animation to be treated with respect, showcase animation from outside your bubble like the ones shown above.

edit: sorry for double posting, I had to get this slight rant out of my head
 
Not even an Razzie award for the worst film? :story:

Except that one. They deserve that award
Highly doubtful. Razzies is another piece of reddit-tier award show that only cherry picks based on journos' scores.

I made a tweet that was "Animation is cinema" and all I did was replace all the childrens shit with more adult animation and it got some traction but the not the traction those tweets usually get if they put bluey or owl house
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animation niggas will say that they want animation to be treated with respect but they always give either gay shit attention or things obviously meant for children attention and will rarely give any adult animation that isn't Rick and Morty, Inside Job, or any other adult cartoon of the week that looks like R&M.


TLDR: you want animation to be treated with respect, showcase animation from outside your bubble like the ones shown above.

edit: sorry for double posting, I had to get this slight rant out of my head
Inside Job was fucking awesome, and I'm pissed that it's been cancelled. Don't you even dare compare that to R&M.
 
Highly doubtful. Razzies is another piece of reddit-tier award show that only cherry picks based on journos' scores.
I gave up on them when ghostbusters 2016 wasn't nominated at all. Not even for worst remake, prequel, or sequel. anyways to stay on topic there's surprisingly a few upload of Fairly Oddparents up on youtube.
 
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